While he was no Malcolm Reilly (although he was an automatic selection in his GB teams) let's have a look at Betts' career then.

Lance Todd Trophy ? check
Man of Steel ? check
Young Player of the Year ? check
most caps by a GB forward ? check (30-odd)
Only played for GB cos he played for Wigan ? That was a feat in itself at the time.

He's no coach, that's obvious. But, fair-dos, he wasn't a bad player at all.
What more would he have had to do to impress you ?

Like i said average, just take away the Wigan factor and you have someone like Brett Ferres, i never said he was a bad player just average playing in a good side.
We still to this day see players selected that are favourites within the game, while others are overlooked at so called smaller clubs, do you not agree.

Fair comment regarding Ferres, but I thought Betts was a cracking player in his day.

Maybe i've been a touch unkind/unfair, above average maybe but imo he still only reached the heights through being at the right place at the right time.

Oh god, another polecat discussion thread on the cas forum, you lot are obsessed, totaly

Sorry i thought the thread and other items on here concerning a Cas loaned player to Wakey would allow discussion for fans of both clubs, you may well live in a one club world but others don't.

Now i understand some Wakey fans have been ruining threads on here lately but i would have thought this thread allowed for a bit of interaction.

I dont live in a one club world pal, but continual derailing of threads by wake supporters is killing this site, If your thing is mathers then fair enough,

But you and your fellow posters are now on about ferres and betts, if thats owt to do with mathers then i give up

It may well have drifted away from Mathers due to the comments of Betts, i do apologise for that but i don't think i intended to derail it.

I'll leave it alone and return to the darkside

Apartheid is alive and kicking for Speedy and his pals.

Lighten up chaps - there is life outside Cas!

p.s I don't think Mather was telling lies or is soft (no thread drift from me.)

No thread drift, but your ratio of posts containing the word Cas continues to climb. To quote a well used phrase, "obsessed"!

Not obsessed - interested. If caring is a crime, colour me guilty.

And here we go, you were all doing so well

While Mathers is still technically a Cas player anything that he does on the pitch or says off it will find its way back on this board whether we like it or not.

I do think he should be careful what he says on twitter though he is in danger of becoming the Joey Barton of Super League, where his comments will far out weigh his talent.

The Joey Barton of anything is not a compliment is it. That's a great Q2 for fighting talk.