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| Quote: jtfev "It's no secret that Millward has upset some players but what he is trying to do is make you proffesional Some of the players over the last few seasons just think they can do what that want they spent more time drinking than training I hope Cas stick with Millward kick the big headed players out that think they are better than the Cas club and bring players in the will play for you obviously been a fev fan some of you may think I am wrong but I remember Powell coming to Fev clearing players out that were on good money when there contracts run out because they didn't want to train his way he brought his own in and we have done very well since
Back your coach get rid of player that don't want to work with him and you WILL. be a good S/L team too many players think they are bigger than the clubs they play for and in my opinion Cas have a few'"
I actually agree with this and whilst some of the players seem to have responded well to Millward's methods, there are clearly those that felt they had an easy ride under Matterson and are resistant to change. They're the ones causing the problems and need to be on their way.
The club wouldn't be able to afford to pay him off anyway IMO, especially with the number of fans that seem to have dropped away this season. Whilst what's happening on the field isn't particularly encouraging we have seen a few sparks of what they can do. It's what's happening off the field which is the greatest concern for me and I suspect many of those who've walked away - I'm simply struggling to see a future for the club beyond 2014 with things as they currently are.
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| Quote: kinleycat "How do you know all this for a fact Gronky??'"
I asked exactly the same question on our forum and got no reply.
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| It's only been a couple of days, perhaps he's checking his facts!
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| Quote: vastman "I asked exactly the same question on our forum and got no reply.'"
I got a response on another thread. Can't remember word for word what it was but it was basically supposition from what I recall.
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| Quote: Bonzo "I actually agree with this and whilst some of the players seem to have responded well to Millward's methods, there are clearly those that felt they had an easy ride under Matterson and are resistant to change. They're the ones causing the problems and need to be on their way.
The club wouldn't be able to afford to pay him off anyway IMO, especially with the number of fans that seem to have dropped away this season. Whilst what's happening on the field isn't particularly encouraging we have seen a few sparks of what they can do. It's what's happening off the field which is the greatest concern for me and I suspect many of those who've walked away - I'm simply struggling to see a future for the club beyond 2014 with things as they currently are.'"
I have not been impressed with milward one bit this season, we have no team spirit, no structure in attack or defence and he's making our best players want to leave, i honestly fear just how much damage he could do if he sees out his contract. If we cant afford to pay him off i personally would demote him to coaching the academy and get john kear to come be the head coach (with thornton as assistant) to the end of the year as he would be willing to come for next to nothing as he is cas through and would love the opportunity to earn a longer deal. If there's one thing that kear can do its getting a team playing for each other and turn a clubs season around.
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| How can people blame Millward he carnt make a silk purse out of a sows ear,Cases squad is sub standard give the man time let him build his own squad then judge him he is a quality Coach.
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| I agree with Pyeman , look what kear did at Wakefield they were doomed, he turned them round . That would be funny Millward as Academy coach.
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| Next season will be the time to judge Basil. He does take on ego's, and has one himself. He is putting the pieces together for next year on a very restrictive budget that must involve losing Chase imo to complete the jigsaw.
Clarke is quality and would always be leaving to a big 4 club at some point, in todays game most clubs will be feeder clubs for the money clubs, just hope the compensation is sufficient.
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| Quote: BOYD2 "How can people blame Millward he carnt make a silk purse out of a sows ear,Cases squad is sub standard give the man time let him build his own squad then judge him he is a quality Coach.'"
The players weren't sub standard before milward came though, they have been in or have just missed out on the play offs for the last 3 seasons despite some horrendous injury lists and a small squad, pretty much the same bunch of players are now battling to avoid the wooden spoon. Under milward the players are not playing as a team and there not playing to there potential, that's down to him i'm afraid. You don't see us week in week out so you don't see how we have been come a much, much worse team since millward came in, we haven't been been this bad since steadman in 2004 and even he had a couple of good seasons before.
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| Quote: maurice "Next season will be the time to judge Basil. He does take on ego's, and has one himself. He is putting the pieces together for next year on a very restrictive budget that must involve losing Chase imo to complete the jigsaw.
Clarke is quality and would always be leaving to a big 4 club at some point, in todays game most clubs will be feeder clubs for the money clubs, just hope the compensation is sufficient.'"
I know leigh fans are very attached to millward but what he has done for you in the lower leagues doesn't matter one bit for cas, we are playing like we haven't trained together and have looked poor even when winning, we have no attack and defence, no team spirit. And you think the coach that got us into this predicament will find it easier when he has sold our two best players? Without chase and clark i dont think we would have won a game all season, so if mllward does sell them we will be certainties for the wooden spoon next year. Not to mention if we sell those two lots of cas fans will walk away so we will have a smaller income next season, negating much of any transfer fees.
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| I agree Pyeman. I would be more browned off if Clark goes than if Rangi does, but we will really struggle without both of them. I don't trust Millward one bit, and if they both go, fans will be completely gutted and walk away from the club (not me I hasten to add)!
Recruitment looks good so far for next season, but I think the players we have already signed will be the best ones, and that anybody else who signs will just be squad players. It doesn't really matter who is in the squad if Basil can't get them playing as a team.
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| I think we could pick up some really good players if/when Bulls start laying-off.
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| Oh how the wind changes direction and opinions change with it....
At the time when Matterson announced he was leaving the club, a remember clearly saying...what are the thoughts about Kear maybe getting the role? I recall vividly getting shot down in flames in various responses, with the weirdest of explanations that 'Kear is only good at getting average player to over perform, and that big names wouldn't play for him!!'.
I was baffled by this in thinking, 'well we've got quite a few average players ourselves....that I wouldn't mind seeing over perform now and again'. Where as with IM we don't seem to have any players that even want to do the basics....never mind 'over' perform.
I'd love to see Kear given a shot at coaching Cas, however if rumors are true he hasn't been treat all that well by our BOD when he has shown and interest in coaching Cas.
It is rather co-incidental how so many St's fans (without malice) warned us about what would happen when IM was appointed...and here we are!
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| I hear what you are saying pyeman but i still think he needs more time to build is own Squad, if Cas can keep Chase,Clarke,and all the other young Quality players that are coming through and add some experinced quality players to the squad Cas well be ok.
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| Matterson built that squad, offering contracts to those substandard players. Through loyalty alone They were always going to play for him. Wilward has come in and rocked the boat. Those players were on to a good thing and milward is making a lot of changes, With brand new idears and almost the full team out of contract, most of them know they will never put a cas shirt on again after 2012. Im Not suprised there is unrest in the dressing room. People need to get real, you cannot judge a coach under these circumstances.
This time next year if castleford are perfoming like second rate amatures i will be the first to stand on wheldon lane with the milward out sign, but until then i think we should give the man a chance..
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