You would have those two before O'Loughlin. That's a big call and I don't think there are many fans of any club who know their rugby who would agree with you.

Who said that ?

Many? Mate there would be none....or at least none who know the first thing about rugby. Anyone claiming O'Loughlin is overrated needs to start watching a different sport as they clearly know feck all about rugby league!

O'Loughlin is an excellent player.

Indeed mate.

I have no issue with opinion; as the saying goes we all have them, but claiming O'Loughlin is overrated is bordering on the stupid. I'm all for being partisan but if I said Carney was rubbish, for example, I'd like to think that someone would tell me I'm talking out of my....well, I'm sure you can guess the rest!

I think a few of you need to look up the word overrated

If FOR EXAMPLE someone calls the 2nd best player in the world the best player, they are overrated. They aren't the best. The word bares no correlation on ability or suggests that they are 'rubbish' and the way some people are wetting themselves about how great he is, I think it proves my point.

Lockers is the master of manipulaton. He is great at being on the edge of the rules. Always half a yard offside, always right on the edge of a high shot. Part of it is the ineptitude of the officials and if he can get away with it good luck to him but these aren't qualities I look for in a great player.

If he went to the NRL with 2 good standard officials, I think he would be found out pretty quickly. I can't be bothered checking but I'm sure someone will know. Wasn't it Lockers against New Zealand who gave away a needless penalty by trying to be clever when we had them on the ropes and changed the momentum of the match letting New Zealand back into the game? Guess what, we lost!

Great players can be over-rated. O'Loughlin is one of them.

On my teamsheet, yes. Without a doubt. Carney has scored 30 tries in 28 SL appearances. He is a clinical and destructive winger. As for Clark, he's a fantastic hooker, homegrown to Cas, and a future international.

Without doubt O'Loughlin is imperative for Wigan but I think that's akin to Sinfield. He is Mr Wigan. But like every player he has his downsides. I think he's good in attack but his aggressive defence at times lets him down with silly penalties, holding down etc.

Saturday 7th June at 2.30pm :- www.therfl.co.uk/news/article/30 ... -finals-to

Saturday 7th June at 2.30pm :- www.therfl.co.uk/news/article/30 ... -finals-to

Lockers is a class, class player. "Micky Mac" falls in the overrated category for me.

Sorry your wrong Play offs, finals and CC games are really all that matters now. SL rounds are just foreplay until the the big show. As for Mcilorum in every major final or play off game he plays he goes up a level. In the Grand final last season he was by far the best player on the pitch. Put Higham and Monaghan in his pocket. Same for 2010 when he put Roby and Cunningham in the other pocket. Same in the 2 CC finals. Week in week out really counts for nothing now. When the pressure goes up so does Mcilorum. When has Clark ever played under pressure its easy to look good during the rounds but it really counts for nothing if you fail in the play offs.

If Clark does well in the CC game or the play offs this season excpect Warrington to come in and buy him off you.

This is more of an indictment of where SL is now more than anything else. Leeds and Wigan have realised that hence why one of them will again win the Grand Final. There lies the problem in the game as a whole most teams have decent 1-13 but both Leeds and especially Wigan atm have massive strength in depth that after achieving top 4 this season Wane will again rest as many as he can and still be competitive in games.

Not sure Wigan have particular strength in depth this season and a few key injuries in September and they may struggle (not sure for example Jordan James, Ryan Hampshire etc playing in a Grand Final will strike fear into many if the wrong players get injured).

IMO you are more than capable of winning the CC this season,the very best of luck against the Pie Eaters in the quarter final,I will be having a few quid on you.