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Quote: tttiger "everyone needs to get real.......... neither club will have a new stadium before 2015. There are reasons for this include facts such as ...... both clubs are skint , both clubs are very poorly run in comparison with the top 4/6 clubs. Wakefield spectator base in poor in relation to its catchment area and cas are losing supporters due to having a substandard team for the past 4/5 seasons.
A new stadium for either club will not solve the massive issues such as the ones above - both clubs need to get their act together first !'"
Oh for the love of go how many times - worst post yet.
Of course N/M will be built, the state of either club is utterly irrelevant WHAT DON'T YOU GET.
The Stadium belongs to the trust - the developer York Court has to build the stadium to meet his obligations under the planning approval agreed by the SOS Mr Pickles.
There will be a stadium there in 2015-16 end of - because if there isn't there won't be anything there at all. Whether it stays empty or has two SL clubs playing from it - it will get built - IT ISN'T OPTIONAL. The only issue is whether York Court can gain 40% occupancy in time which will allow building of the phase that includes the Stadium and the units that will give them a profit. They say they can. York Court cannot afford to fail in building the Stadium, that is why they had to go to such length to assure and win planning approval from the SOS.
For the last time this stadium belongs to the "Wakefield & District Community Trust" see www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... adium.html
Wakefield Trinity have no say in it's funding or ownership or who uses it. We have a long term tenancy and I suspect we may be consulted on design issues but that is all. The Council backs the trust because it needs to improve WMDC's sports facilities which were in the bottom five in the whole UK a few years back. This is a very cheap option for them as they take little risk and invest very little. Remember NM is not just a stadium, it will have all weather pitches, classrooms and indoor facilities for many sports, in a central location for all - something WMDC badly lacks.
Of course it's not set in stone just yet so why people feel the need to antagonise on here I don't know. It could still go wrong but the biggest hurdle is completed and facts need pointing out. Those who need to get real are those who see N/M as Trinity's stadium that will be built by them for them. It simply isn't the case - it belongs to us all.
For what it's worth I think you may miss out because I reckon a round ball team will take up the second tenancy but that's just speculation. |
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Quote: tttiger "everyone needs to get real.......... neither club will have a new stadium before 2015. There are reasons for this include facts such as ...... both clubs are skint , both clubs are very poorly run in comparison with the top 4/6 clubs. Wakefield spectator base in poor in relation to its catchment area and cas are losing supporters due to having a substandard team for the past 4/5 seasons.
A new stadium for either club will not solve the massive issues such as the ones above - both clubs need to get their act together first !'"
Oh for the love of go how many times - worst post yet.
Of course N/M will be built, the state of either club is utterly irrelevant WHAT DON'T YOU GET.
The Stadium belongs to the trust - the developer York Court has to build the stadium to meet his obligations under the planning approval agreed by the SOS Mr Pickles.
There will be a stadium there in 2015-16 end of - because if there isn't there won't be anything there at all. Whether it stays empty or has two SL clubs playing from it - it will get built - IT ISN'T OPTIONAL. The only issue is whether York Court can gain 40% occupancy in time which will allow building of the phase that includes the Stadium and the units that will give them a profit. They say they can. York Court cannot afford to fail in building the Stadium, that is why they had to go to such length to assure and win planning approval from the SOS.
For the last time this stadium belongs to the "Wakefield & District Community Trust" see www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... adium.html
Wakefield Trinity have no say in it's funding or ownership or who uses it. We have a long term tenancy and I suspect we may be consulted on design issues but that is all. The Council backs the trust because it needs to improve WMDC's sports facilities which were in the bottom five in the whole UK a few years back. This is a very cheap option for them as they take little risk and invest very little. Remember NM is not just a stadium, it will have all weather pitches, classrooms and indoor facilities for many sports, in a central location for all - something WMDC badly lacks.
Of course it's not set in stone just yet so why people feel the need to antagonise on here I don't know. It could still go wrong but the biggest hurdle is completed and facts need pointing out. Those who need to get real are those who see N/M as Trinity's stadium that will be built by them for them. It simply isn't the case - it belongs to us all.
For what it's worth I think you may miss out because I reckon a round ball team will take up the second tenancy but that's just speculation. | |
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| Quote: kinleycat "You also wrote about pressing ahead which Is what I was referring to, an attempt IMO of you to gloss over the inevitable with yet more clutching of straws.
So I read your post clearly, it wasn't intended to be inflammatory, only my assessment of your consistent posting style.
I have long thought you would not get to GH there have been many signs along the way you have chosen to ignore or "fullyise " the content.
Now your new Chief Exec has added his doubt I thought you might have conceded defeat that you were fooled or foolish.
Clearly not!!!
I will maintain a struggling Cas is not in the best interest of Wakey and I would like to see us both pushing one another up the table and towards success.
But making stories isn't going to make everything alright; hard work and the folk of Cas putting their hands in their pockets might.'"
Well, no, because we can press ahead when we get some sort of decision to the supermarket.
If they come back and turn us down then we can look at redeveloping GH and firm up that plan, which is what is ongoing now with Steve Ferres developing a Plan B.
If they come back and it is feasible for us then planning permission will be submitted for the Wheldon Road site and we can start looking towards ensuring that gets given the green light.
So in either way, we will be pressing ahead with plans in one form or another. There was no attempt to make it out to be some sort of easy route and we'll be in a stadium by January 2014. There are always plenty of hurdles and that was my point going right back to point 1, which you and your fellow Wakefield fans decided to jump on and have a good whinge about.
SF hasn't 'doubted' anything. He has merely suggested that we have been wholly focussed on GH but no development of a Plan B, which is correct. His comments were pointing out that it is important to develop a plan B by way of redeveloping WR. |
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So how would you fund the redevelopment of WR?
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How can Cas miss out if they decide to play at Newmarket, it would be there wright as you say if it gets built it has nothing to do with waky as it is a community stadium, so if it is being built for the community teams and then a team is refused permission to play there how dose that make it a place for all the community to use, so if football, RU, or all 3 pro & semi pro RL teams decide they want to use the place how can they be refused, if any team is refused its not a community stadium, so how can anybody say you might miss out, or is the community part just a roués to get it built with out the wildcats paying any bills
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| Quote: frank5613 "How can Cas miss out if they decide to play at Newmarket, it would be there wright as you say if it gets built it has nothing to do with waky as it is a community stadium, so if it is being built for the community teams and then a team is refused permission to play there how dose that make it a place for all the community to use, so if football, RU, or all 3 pro & semi pro RL teams decide they want to use the place how can they be refused, if any team is refused its not a community stadium, so how can anybody say you might miss out, or is the community part just a roués to get it built with out the wildcats paying any bills'"
I believe you have already been asked if you would like to play there, the response wasnt yes as you WERE cracking on with GH. I seem to recall your former CEO made it quite clear. |
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| Quote: Fully "Well, no, because we can press ahead when we get some sort of decision to the supermarket.
If they come back and turn us down then we can look at redeveloping GH and firm up that plan, which is what is ongoing now with Steve Ferres developing a Plan B.
If they come back and it is feasible for us then planning permission will be submitted for the Wheldon Road site and we can start looking towards ensuring that gets given the green light.
So in either way, we will be pressing ahead with plans in one form or another. There was no attempt to make it out to be some sort of easy route and we'll be in a stadium by January 2014. There are always plenty of hurdles and that was my point going right back to point 1, which you and your fellow Wakefield fans decided to jump on and have a good whinge about.
SF hasn't 'doubted' anything. He has merely suggested that we have been wholly focussed on GH but no development of a Plan B, which is correct. His comments were pointing out that it is important to develop a plan B by way of redeveloping WR.'"
Typical fullyism, you can't press on with anything.
You don't have the funds to press on with either project.
For GH you need a global shift in the state of the economy.
For WR you need to find the kind of money or backing that has been lacking in recent years.
I'm beginning to think that you and newgroundbeforecas are the same poster!!!!! |
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the former CEO has gone but what has that got to do with the point, it said a COMMUNITY stadium, the word is there and it has a definition, it means anybody who lives in that community is entitled to use the facility not if other supporters think its OK, if you are paying for it then fare enough, if its being built for everybody it dose not mater what the OLD CEO says, but if you want the nice shinny tin all painted red white & blue then the club should pay for it building, but as waky don't like paying it will belong to every rate payer in the waky area, but if you would not like it if Cas or Fev wanted to play there just remove the word community and replace it with the Wakefield wildcats stadium and fut the bill
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| Quote: frank5613 "the former CEO has gone but what has that got to do with the point, it said a COMMUNITY stadium, the word is there and it has a definition, it means anybody who lives in that community is entitled to use the facility not if other supporters think its OK, if you are paying for it then fare enough, if its being built for everybody it dose not mater what the OLD CEO says, but if you want the nice shinny tin all painted red white & blue then the club should pay for it building, but as waky don't like paying it will belong to every rate payer in the waky area, but if you would not like it if Cas or Fev wanted to play there just remove the word community and replace it with the Wakefield wildcats stadium and fut the bill'"
I dispair!!!!
What don't you understand about this, or would it be quicker to ask what do you understand?????
It's not ours, you are welcome to use it, your (ex) CEO just said you wouldn't, if you want to you still can, and if you want some orange and black seats that's ok.
We never said you couldn't only Richard Wright said it wouldn't happen!!!
FFS please pay attention!! |
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| Quote: frank5613 "the former CEO has gone but what has that got to do with the point, it said a COMMUNITY stadium, the word is there and it has a definition, it means anybody who lives in that community is entitled to use the facility not if other supporters think its OK, if you are paying for it then fare enough, if its being built for everybody it dose not mater what the OLD CEO says, but if you want the nice shinny tin all painted red white & blue then the club should pay for it building, but as waky don't like paying it will belong to every rate payer in the waky area, but if you would not like it if Cas or Fev wanted to play there just remove the word community and replace it with the Wakefield wildcats stadium and fut the bill'"
What the bleeding hell are you talking about? |
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| Quote: bren2k "In fairness, it's no more vomit-worthy than all the nouveau eco-warriors over on the nutjob forum, lamenting the loss of acres of idyllic countryside, cruelly taken away from generations of asthmatic children to come.'"
It's all a bloody joke now anyway.
People need to grow up. |
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| Quote: vastman "Still peddling the same big lie Alf - get over yourself and try not to look dumber than you already do.
The Councils only monetary involvement was the putting up security - a piece of council land worth 2 million to cover any risk being taken by the developerGrow up mate, grow up ![]()
Vasty, I like to think I don't tell lies, I may make mistakes , but we all do.
The Community Trust asked WMDC for a loan of £150,000 to cover "Design Fees" The Coucil turned them down. In December 2009 theCouncil's Chief executive took the decision that WMDC would act asguarantee for a loan of £150,000 from the Co Op Bank to the Trust. This was ratified by the Council in January 2011. After consulting with Councillor D Jeffrey on 10th May 2011 The Director of Finance and Property took the Officer Delegated Decision on 12th May 2011 to settle the Council's liability with regard to the Loan Guarantee provided to the Co Op Bank.
Unless the Council have kept/are keeping back a bit of land at Springfield Grange to take account of the above then I do believe the ratepayers have paid the £150,000 "Design Fees"
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At the end of the day, the ratepayers foot the bill for most of what any council does.
Is this any different? Should it be judged differently?
As far as I can see the council have tried to help both clubs sort out their ground issues.
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thats what it is a joke, but in there eyes we are the poor relatives, telling us this that & the other, about how we cant afford to build & how we might have mist the boat in lines of sharing, but when you hit a nerve the same old thing comes out, but as i found out a few years back nobody nose what is round the corner, some off the things i post might not approve with some but mostly its just banter, but some times i read some of the posts, and it makes me made, so i put whats on my mind, but believe it or not i hope the new ground is built, and if nothing can be done on are side i hope we sell, wipe out the debts we have and share, i don't think ether club is big enough to go alone Salford & Leigh have shown that, at some time in the near future we are going to have to build, redevelop or bite the bullet and share weather it hurts or not ( the post above was in reply to redwiteandblue)
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| Quote: frank5613 "thats what it is a joke, but in there eyes we are the poor relatives, telling us this that & the other, about how we cant afford to build & how we might have mist the boat in lines of sharing, but when you hit a nerve the same old thing comes out, but as i found out a few years back nobody nose what is round the corner, some off the things i post might not approve with some but mostly its just banter, but some times i read some of the posts, and it makes me made, so i put whats on my mind, but believe it or not i hope the new ground is built, and if nothing can be done on are side i hope we sell, wipe out the debts we have and share, i don't think ether club is big enough to go alone Salford & Leigh have shown that, at some time in the near future we are going to have to build, redevelop or bite the bullet and share weather it hurts or not ( the post above was in reply to redwiteandblue)'"
Wow!! That really is a special post!!! |
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| Quote: bigalf "Unless the Council have kept/are keeping back a bit of land at Springfield Grange to take account of the above then I do believe the ratepayers have paid the £150,000 "Design Fees"'"
Even if that proves to be the case, it's a bargain considering the sports facilities the district will get in return.
I really don't get which part of the 'Community' aspect some people find so hard to understand - WMDC are not building a new stadium for WTW, nor are WTW building one for themselves - the developer is building a multi-sport facility, propped up by some grant funding, and a Community Trust will take ownership; WTW will be the anchor tenant, but other sports teams will benefit, including a roundball club and community sports teams of all sorts of persuasions.
Given that we're facing a national obesity crisis that could bring down the NHS, and Wakefield's unenviable position of having some of the worst community sports facilities in the country, I would have thought that even the most intransigent Castleford fan could see that this scheme will benefit the whole district; it might therefore be a better use of your superior intellect and network of contacts to stop agitating and get behind it?
For once and probably the only time, I agree with Gronk; it's getting beyond daft. |
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