because he does what he wants and he's blatantly the most feared man in super league. Mot mate.

It's not a fact that Leeds are the most successful team in sl era though is it?

At this current time.

Through the "salary cap" era as you started off stating unprecedented success for their record across all competitions.

you wouldnt call beating them in 4 GF's as dominating? Are you for real? four grand finals is pretty massive. Plus we handed them their biggest SL defeat.

PS. Bradford have also won 1 Championship, 3 GFs, 2 CCs and 3 WCC trophies since 1996. Same amount as Leeds. So even they can be classified as being just as successful in terms of successes as Leeds although, naturally, not in the same class when reaching major finals.

Leeds are the most successful team in the SL era. They have unprecedented success. Saints might have more CC's but ask them what they ment after we handed them their s on GF night?

Leeds have won the GF the biggest prize the most. This out ways CC's everyone in the game knows th GF is much more important than the cup fact.

Everyone knows the GF is the biggest prize. Knowbody has won a GF 5 times only Leeds.

Statement 1: Incorrect - you've been disproved on that front already. I'm pretty sure the Challenge Cup is a valued competition. I seemingly remember your lot banging on about how important it would be to win it last season as you hadn't won it in so long.

Leeds have won the GF the most but only because it didn't exist for the first two seasons of SL. In terms of titles, you've both won the same. Therefore, it's a moot point. You are the better side at this current day. Across SL, no. You're only convincing yourself.

Now you're twisting it back to Super League only as I said you would. The sign of a man who has been proved wrong so starts to backtrack. Keep digging. Plus, see above post regarding Grand Finals.

Just admit Leeds have won the GF more than any other team (because they have) and will call it evens with argument twisting.

Well, I can't argue with that because stats say they have (but only because it didn't exist when Saints won the League title back in 1996 and were termed champions). I've admitted that: now will you admit that St Helens are a more successful side across all competitions in total and are the more successful side in the 'salary cap' era as you termed it.

Then we'll call it evens.

In total of trophies yes saints have more. But I question the value of different trophies and records set in the game.