Whether he's the king of spin or not is no concern of Wakey's. Like I suspect anybody in his position, he'll do anything to make sure his business succeeds. Tbh he wasnt saying anything we didn't already know whether you like it or not.

This was nothing to do with spin - it was an ill-considered attempt to throw a spanner in the NM works.

It's an argument that's been done to death however and we'll never agree, so let's leave it there.

Really getting fed up of Wakey trolls coming on here spouting their bile. I there so little going on in Wakey.

They're absolutely obsessed.

Sorry to all his faithful, however I've met enough people in life like RW to know a BS'r when I see one. If we were to write down the statements that he has given over the past few years which had failed to materialize we could have a right good couple of hours worth of disbelief & laughter. But for how much longer do we keep ignoring the incompetence of the man and justifying it with our blind loyalty to the team we love? Be patient, trust, just wait a while........words I hear spouted on here all too often. After being patient, trusting and waiting time after time, and continuing to blindly do the same over and over again, we become fools!

If he was a boss at any one of the companies at which the forum members work, he would be the laughing stock of the business. A man who's is either so unlucky that he's a liability....or someone who clearly can't deliver! Either way, by now, based on the promises made and results he's failed to deliver, he would be out of a job! As simple as!! That is the harsh world of real life and business!! Yet some continue to wrap him in cotton wool, trust, and be patient over and over again!

We need change,....otherwise if we continue to do what we've always done, we will continue get what we've always gotten! - Disappointment!!!

Good ....

and by the way the spanner was already there

That's no way to talk about your great leader.

Going back to the original question before everyone started bitching with each other again, when the last round of licences were given out the RFL made it quite clear that if clubs did not make significant improvements quickly then there may be licences being revoked before the end of the three year period.

This was obviously directed at both Cas and Wakefield. So lets make it clear that if Tesco's decide they dont want a supermarket built on chemical infested land within the flood plain or Wakefield's public enquiry goes very badly wrong then one or maybe both clubs are going to be up the preverbial sh*t creek without a paddle. End of arguement.

You are assuming that Castleford was one of the two worst clubs: we weren't.

Yes we were...even Salford have a new stadium now, what have we got?

A better academy, finished in the play-offs, bigger fanbase. Need I go on.

Yes mate, because (as we have discussed ad nausea) none of that will save us when SL chooses to apply it's big blunt instrument of stadia criteria - specially contrived to ensure inclusion of favoured clubs and maximise the potential for eventually excluding everyone else.

Spot on.

Both our clubs are involved in fevered attempts to get state of the art stadium developments off the ground and there's a lot of optimism and enthusiasm in both camps, but if you sit back and think about it, for the RFL to require any club to deliver a £15 million capital project in the middle of a global recession is totally unreasonable, let alone two clubs that are 10 miles apart and under the same Council; a Council that isn't funding either development to any substantive degree.

I'm sure their preferred option is for one project to fail within the licence period, so they can refer back to their threat to remove a franchise if substantial progress isn't made; at that point, they can offer the 'merge or bugger off' scenario, in the hope of creating a super(ish) club in the WMDC and making room for an expansion team.

It will be an interesting fly in the ointment if both clubs make progress on stadia in 2012!

I concur with Bren2K and smoking monkey

Make or break couple of years for Salford, and I think Man City's success will help them.

I worked in Manchester for a few years, and I remember that in Manchester it was cool to like City, because it had integrity, because they were the pauper to Man United's big money side. Those from Manchester support City, and those from outside support United. I don't think it is like that anymore, but the one thing I always got was a willingness to follow rugby, and in particular rugby league, because it had a certain working class integrity, but there was nowhere they could watch it where they would want to watch it. I know of some professionals in Manchester who talk now of "my Salford City Reds" and have started going to grand finals, and I know of City stalwarts who are sick of not getting tickets for City games.

In a nutshell, Salford could boom, provided they get it right on the pitch. The problem for them is they are going into this at a pretty low ebb.

The RFL will cut them plenty of slack. They won't do it for either of our two clubs.