I haven't described him as Excellent as yet, I do think in time he will be better than Shenton, But he is more than capable at this level. I wouldnt just say he was Average, He is good, And going to keep getting better with the more came time.

As for the Hull Kr game, I was there, And i think he may have missed 1 tackle for the tries, A lot was to blame by the second row at the time leaving them short. Its very easy to criticise the men out wide when overlaps occur, But the majority of the time, Its the men inside who have made a rash judgement and left them short.

As you know, Or may know. My opinion is biased, I have known Joe for years, But having watched him improve ridiculously over the last 2 years, I seriously think he is going all the way. He has a winners attitude.

I how he does go all the way mate and turn into a great player but I just dont think he is there yet. I know you and Joe are friends also so I hope you are right and he comes out against wakey, proves me wrong and rips them apart.

Those tries were all down to Rangi.

Only place McG i can see fitting in come MM is the bench, i think Arundel will only improve on his already impressive displays and Isa (despite only playing 3/4's of a friendly) looks a good talent, McG's versatility could be a dnager off the bench, been able to cover FB, wing, centre, 6&7

You can never blame a halfback for defence. Tries were between centre and second row. Players know halfbacks ain't the best defenders so everyone else should cover them. I was there and it weren't Rangi. Trust me.

I think he could be blamed for one, They were already short, And he shot out

But for my reckoning, The second row was more to blame than Joe

I know. If he doesnt make it to the International stage, It wont be because of lack of dedication off the field

Thats who TM blamed Trust me

McGoldrick should be 18th man. Surplus to requirements until we get an injury.

Like others have mentioned. I wouldn't leave him out of 17 as he can cover all over park.

He is very versatile and can be destructive in attack when he's on his game. Unfortunately his defence can be a real weak link - the first thing that happened after he came on last week was Hull scoring where he was covering.

For once we have a number of options/permutations, especially on the interchange, and I'm not sure yet which are likely to work best against any given opposition. The one thing about which I am clear is that we must have an hooker among the subs and refrain from either misusing Jones there or disrupting our shape by switching Chase/Orr. So if Milner is fit he must be on the bench as far as I'm concerned. For balance and fitness/ favouritism aside we should look something like this:

Mathers
Youngquest
Arundel
Isa
Dixon
Chase
Orr
Fozzard
Hudson
Huby
Snitch
Ferres
Aspinwall

Milner plus 3 from
Walker/Emmett/McGoldrick/Jackson/Widders (probably in that order)

mcgoldrick will play all season if he is fit , regardless of form. TM will not have the balls the drop him mainly due to his massive salary .

McGoldrick could be out for the season and is likely to miss this weekend through injury. This is due to a flare-up to a knee injury that happened last season and he has played with. Should it not clear up, he may require surgery.

For me if Widders is fit hes got to play,

1. Mathers
2. Dixon
3. Arundel
4. Isa
5.Yougquest

6. Chase
7. Orr

8. Fozzard
9. Hudson
10. Huby
11. Aspinwall
12. Snitch
13. Ferres

14. Milner
15. Jackson
16. Widders
17. McGoldrick/Emmett

We should go with a big but mobile pack as Wakeys dont have the biggest pack, if we win the forwards battle we could put a score on them. But i expect it to be close.

No space for Jones this week unfortunately but it nice to have a bit of competition for places for once.

can tell you now isa is not in team and aspinall will miss this one because of suspect defense