No just the facts. I didn't even mention the team we have dominated the most is saints.

What do you define as dominating?

You've beat them in 4 grand finals, I wouldn't really call it dominating. I'd guess throughout super league, they've beaten you more.

Selective arguing? Leeds have won 5 Grand Finals but Saints have won 4 Grand Finals and won the League in SL1, which would effective count as the equivalent of the GF victory at that time. Therefore, that's all square.

Besides: you said the most "successful" side. Success is usually defined by trophies. Saints have won more trophies. Doesn't matter whether they're back to back or every other year. You're not the most successful, fact, as shown above.

why do leeds celebrate the fact that ryan bailey is a cowardly thug? whilst the rest of the rugby league family condenm him the rhino's defend his behaviour and even seem proud of it.

PS. If you want to bring in a load of things such as "records", which don't define success in the grand scheme of things but more consistency and benchmark at this moment in time, then by my guest.

Personally, success over a sustained period of time is all about the numbers. Is a team that wins 4 back to back titles more successful than one that has won 4 over a period of 15 years? No.

because he does what he wants and he's blatantly the most feared man in super league. Mot mate.

It's not a fact that Leeds are the most successful team in sl era though is it?

At this current time.

Through the "salary cap" era as you started off stating unprecedented success for their record across all competitions.

you wouldnt call beating them in 4 GF's as dominating? Are you for real? four grand finals is pretty massive. Plus we handed them their biggest SL defeat.

PS. Bradford have also won 1 Championship, 3 GFs, 2 CCs and 3 WCC trophies since 1996. Same amount as Leeds. So even they can be classified as being just as successful in terms of successes as Leeds although, naturally, not in the same class when reaching major finals.

Leeds are the most successful team in the SL era. They have unprecedented success. Saints might have more CC's but ask them what they ment after we handed them their s on GF night?

Leeds have won the GF the biggest prize the most. This out ways CC's everyone in the game knows th GF is much more important than the cup fact.

Everyone knows the GF is the biggest prize. Knowbody has won a GF 5 times only Leeds.

Statement 1: Incorrect - you've been disproved on that front already. I'm pretty sure the Challenge Cup is a valued competition. I seemingly remember your lot banging on about how important it would be to win it last season as you hadn't won it in so long.

Leeds have won the GF the most but only because it didn't exist for the first two seasons of SL. In terms of titles, you've both won the same. Therefore, it's a moot point. You are the better side at this current day. Across SL, no. You're only convincing yourself.