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Quote: Riggins "6 minutes 38 seconds into the game tonight, the south stand chanted clearly on Sky towards James Graham, 'you're just a fat ginger b*****d'. Then on 15 minutes and 55 seconds Phil Clarke admitted that the south stand gives him grief.

So that's OK then to make fun of big ginger haired people is it?

I'm be dropping the RFL an email Monday morning asking if Leeds will now be looked at and fined. They've raised the bar now.'"


Do it, go on! Why wait while Monday?




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Quote: the_grobs "Consistency please RFL!!!

Clearly heard tha abuse of James Graham (you fat Gin B'd) in the first half, during the first 6 or 7 mins. Lets presume the respect tape was played...as it should have been.

Leeds than failed to control this section of the crowd, as Cas were penalised for....becuase it was clearly being shouted again in the 30th min, followed by the Ref is a W.... in the 60th minute.

Having known what has happened to Cas, and then still allowing multiple offences of abuse during this game, and failing to control it surely the RFL have to make an even bigger example of Leeds. But then again, the RFL love Leeds so nowt will happen.

What about when we were chanting ''Grand Final Bitches'' or is that ok as were reffering to them as a collective?


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I was at the game, am fat and have a ginger beard. I thought the South Stand were chanting about me, and I'm very offended

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This is what one of their mods is saying about Cas, what do you expect
Quote: McLaren_Field "Poor lambs, they're a club with a history of supporters using racial and homophobic abuse, both of which are illegal in law (and we're not just talking "guidelines or "policies"icon_wink.gif, they've been hauled before the RFL for it and some of their supporters just can't see where its all gone wrong.

I believe the saying in Hull is "You can't teach pork"'"


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Quote: castigers13 "news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6725653.stm'"


That link should also be sent to the RFL.

Not only were there the chants about Graham, but there was also the abuse of the referee, with him being called a w*****r. Not once did I hear the respect announcement on the tv.

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You cannot equate generic jokes about being "fat and ginger" to direct, homophobic, vivid abuse. Homophobic abuse is illegal.

If James Graham came out and said "I find that offensive", then you might have a basis. However I am 99% sure he gets worse from his own team mates (I can say this as my best mate is ginger), and it wouldn't surprise me if chants of that kind actually helped get him psyched up.


The bottom line is you are kidding yourselves if you think anything will come of this.

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Good post they should if the RL are consistent this is still descrimination of the highest order this is more serious than yours as this was the whole stand and not just a few mindless idiots.

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Quote: Matt King's Barber "You cannot equate generic jokes about being "fat and ginger" to direct, homophobic, vivid abuse. Homophobic abuse is illegal.

If James Graham came out and said "I find that offensive", then you might have a basis. However I am 99% sure he gets worse from his own team mates (I can say this as my best mate is ginger), and it wouldn't surprise me if chants of that kind actually helped get him psyched up.


The bottom line is you are kidding yourselves if you think anything will come of this.'"


Ah, the old 'my best friend is...' defence, it works every time.

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It isn't a defence I am just using anecdotal evidence of how a group of young lads who are all mates will probably make jokes about one of the mates being ginger.

In my close circle of friends I happen to have mates who are ginger and gay and black.

I don't know what it is inside me, but I would never make a racist/homophobic comment, yet the ginger jokes come thick and fast.

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The point I am trying to make is, imagine the St Helens dressing room.

can you see jokes being made by one player about Graham being ginger? YES.
can you see jokes being made by one player about Eastmond being black? NO.
if a St Helens player announced he was gay, can you see jokes (of the same calibre that were chanted at Castleford) being made by one player towards the other player? NO.

On the basis of that you cannot equate illegal abuse with what is common at every sports venue across the country.

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Quote: Matt King's Barber "if a St Helens player announced he was gay, can you see jokes (of the same calibre that were chanted at Castleford) being made by one player towards the other player? NO.
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We can see you holding hands

Yep, I'm sure worse wouldn't be said to GT in the Crusaders dressing room, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if they made soap in the showers jokes in a light hearted manner.


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Quote: Matt King's Barber "
can you see jokes being made by one player about Eastmond being black? NO.
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Why not, my hubby works with a lovely colour guy, been to our house a couple of times.
He gets the P taken out of him all the time.
I had a go at my hubby for doing it, our frield WHO IS COLOURED said no worries it dont bother him. He once had a golly(can i say that) bought by a work mate, he as it in his works van.

So team mates/work mates do have good humoured banter.
Some can take it some cant.

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Quote: Matt King's Barber "The point I am trying to make is, imagine the St Helens dressing room.

can you see jokes being made by one player about Graham being ginger? YES.
can you see jokes being made by one player about Eastmond being black? NO.
if a St Helens player announced he was gay, can you see jokes (of the same calibre that were chanted at Castleford) being made by one player towards the other player? NO.

On the basis of that you cannot equate illegal abuse with what is common at every sports venue across the country.'"


In law look up Section 5

he Public Order Act 1986, Section 5 states:

(1) A person is guilty of an offence if he:

(a) uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or
(b) displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting,

within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress thereby.

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