The only bugbear I have with TM is discipline. This is something that has been lacking for a while and is probably a reflection of his 'buddy' approach to coaching. I think many of the other factors effecting our progress are out of his hands.

He comes across as a nice bloke. As a result, he probably hasn't the personality to clamp down and erradicate a lot of the ill-discipline that has seen us on the wrong end of 1-5 point winning margins (more so last year).

Can/will this change while he's in charge? I'm not so sure. Is it reason alone to go a different direction? Tough one.

Blame cannot completely lay with TM there are other factors, like the ones mentioned with whether he was given the money to improve the side or not.

Defence and discipline are our biggest faults, and possibly not killing games off when we have the chance (Wire and HKR are prime examples of this)

The biggest problem i have with TM is letting personal battles and his unknown dislike for youngsters dictate the squad, Damien Blanch, Keith Mason, Ben Gledhill, Michael Knowles, Ryan Boyle etc etc etc, the list is never ending

I love this:

On the one hand: Terry is to much of a mate with players.

Yet the evidence of Mason etc shows that he's firm on who's in charge.

Oh, that's because he lets personal dislikes get in the way.

And there you have the problem. The mentality of our fans are unreal.

We're 11th thats ok, bradford and wire should be above us while the likes of wakefield, hull kr, huddeersfield etc. etc. make big strides at overtaking the big 4. Lets be happy with 11th though

How many rounds have we played FFS, has anyone actually got any proof of these allegations, i very much doubt it

Well, I'll be doing the 140 mile round trip to a home game again on Friday. I wont stop going.

As for yesterday. They were a better team and their dubious tactics are working well.

Anyway, my thoughts were that the players who make up the bulk of our squad arent up to it really which is where our problem lies. We simply had too many passengers yesterday to win the game. Too few have an impact.

We missed our injured players for sure but we have about 6 or 7 in the squad who are not SL standard. That is true of most squads to be fair, but my issue, and only concern with TM is how the likes of Watts and Gleadhill are prospering elsewhere and were not nurtured at our club. Thats a major worry.

As for rumours of "turning up drunk" and "trouble down the lane" thats all because we lost. Having been at 3 pro clubs its always the case, and means little to me. Lots happens behind the scenes but it certainly doesnt mean crisis. Our effort yesterday suggests there is no evidence to suggest TM has lost the team.

They just arent good enough to beat teams like that.

JK has had a drinks ban at wakie for the last couple of years and has not done them any bad. only 1 player took exception to that and was soon told were to go

Have wakefield banned all there players from drinking? a couple of them could have easily got themselves in trouble if thats the case. I dont think they have, the incident with sculthorpe was for drinking on the team bus home as i was told by a wakey fan and involved two players not one.

He must have changed his ways dramatically then coz there was a hell of a drinking culture at Hull during his reign.

I don't think they have, its just about the right time to have a drink and enjoy yourself.

Danny Brough and Scully, both no longer with us.

Anyway sorry for butting in.

No need to apologise mate, thanks for the info.

Complete rubbish

Go up Wakefield after they have had a game. They are out every week. I should know, I've been drinking with them lots of times before, including Bradford players (Langley etc)