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Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "Paranoid Android was trying to present an argument, like you, that I have this massive anti-Cas bias, and he used a thread on SouthStander to try and highlight this bias. I think he was maybe been a little disingenuous himself because the primary thrust of this thread (if you bothered to read it?) was about Crusaders v Wakey and doesn't mention Cas. In response to some intimations by other posters that Wakey were the club to drop I did try and play devils advocate (I even say that it was I was doing in the post!!!) and try to show that maybe things are closer between Cas and Wakey than people think and go to great lengths to say that I was being deliberately disingenuous and had no problems with Cas staying in SL. I did take something someone else had posted about the average finishing positions of both sides as being correct, when clearly it wasn't (and I can take this on the chin), but the point was never to create a Cas v Wakey argument but just show how stupid and paper thin things had become.

Then, what do you pyeman and Fully do... you spend two pages running me and one of the facts down (which you are 100% right about and I am 100% wrong about) because of this post and the irony of doing just that is totally lost on you!!! You accuse me of bias but claim you aren't, even though I expect you to be (nothing wrong with supporting your team) and then you go and continue to turn this into a Cas v Wakey penis measuring contest... yet again!

My argument remains the same, I think that the current consensus view among RL fans (and even journalists) is that Cas are in front of Wakefield and this is primarily because of the stadium issue (I know there are other things, such as administration etc), I think that is grossly unfair and have posted information which I believe to be true, factual and of course 'of my opinion', based on these things. You say this is me being anti-Cas but I say (and know) that this is me presenting something that clearly Cas fans would like NOT like to hear, because by definition it seeks to shed light on what I think is Cas's overstated and over estimated position in the stadium race. You then all say, why not just keep your mouth shut then because this news is not positive and even negative towards Cas, and the answer is clear, I think both clubs should stay in SL and while this news is hard for you guys to hear, it does present what I believe to be the fairest possible picture. A picture and argument that not one of you has come close to challenging with any real level of information based debate. I think the RFL have made this about all about stadiums, because if it wasn't, why are Salford not being dragged into this argument... lets face it, we know their on-field record, junior development, crowds etc, etc are worse than both Wakey and Cas... by a reasonable distance (cue Salford fans now I expect?
Now just excuse me for a minute here.

YOU posted about RW and how he would blame other people if things didn't work out for GH. YOU told me that I was anti-Wakefield. YOUR quote about Wakefield having a better on-field record than Cas in the SL era was, in fact, completely unfounded.

As I've said to others in the past, if anyone comes on here and posts unwarranted rubbish that runs down Cas and the people associated with the Club, I'm sorry but you're making yourselves a viable target.

You've apologised for your mistakes after they've been pointed out, which is the decent thing to do. However, had no-one pointed them out, the garbage you posted would have been taken as truth.

Of course I'm biased towards Cas. I only said that I'd presented the facts "straight" to stop ACCUSATIONS of bias. How would it have looked if I'd added numbers onto the figures for "years spent outside Super League?" Surely the best way to present statistics is to play them straight and not to try to "big up" the side you're arguing for. It makes the whole thing a mockery.

I didn't read the rest of the thread because I didn't need to. YOU had made an incorrect statement about Cas and I wanted to show that there was no way that I could fathom out how it could be correct and I tried to show where the numbers were coming from. Had I not been biased towards Cas I wouldn't have done it. Neither did I want waste my time trawling though another great pile of irrelevant opinion.

I'm sure that if I came onto a forum and started running down the club you love, you'd want to set the record straight, especially if I was presenting disinformation. You don't know me, you don't know RW and you didn't know about the relative successes of Cas and Wakey during SL, yet you've not hesitated to give us your (completely incorrect) opinion about all three!

If that makes ME someone who doesn't like the truth, despite the fact that I've corrected you with the truth then that's up to you. There's the REAL irony of the piece.