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Quote: Tricky2309 "If Cas were serving up the boring one out ineffective rugby we are and having the same basic problems week in week out that the coach fails to address then you might feel the same way as some of us do'"


We do, occasionally. See Wakefield Cup match.

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Quote: Fully "We do, occasionally. See Wakefield Cup match.'"


I could live with occasionally.

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Quote: Fully "Wakey have a better onfield record in the SL era. I am laughing my head off at that comment. Yes, we've been relegated but we've also made the play-offs more times too.'"


Couldn't stop laughing when i read that, we have been in the play offs 4 times to there two! he kept repeating we had been relegated but glossed over the fact one of those was from 11th place, a position wakefield have finished in 5 of there seasons in sl, they were lucky they finished 11th so often in the years where you couldn't get relegated from 11th place. Didn't mention that if were not for cas in 2002 (iirc) they would have been relegated either.

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Quote: pyeman "Couldn't stop laughing when i read that, we have been in the play offs 4 times to there two! '"



4 times? 3 innit?

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Nope, four.

1999, 2000, 2002, 2009

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Quote: Fully "Nope, four.

1999, 2000, 2002, 2009'"


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Quote: Tricky2309 "Didnt we finish 5th in 2009? You need to practice what you preach about getting the facts right'"


Sorry, yes, slip of the finger! Can't apologise enough. Now let's have a look at the overall stats in the light of this mistake...

Cas: Average 9th
Wakey: Average 10.6th

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Quote: Tricky2309 "Surely though the calculation is flawed as having been in a lower division for 2 seasons should earn some sort of penalty against your average place finish. Afterall if its about contribution to the competition you can't contribute if your not in it.'"


Quote: Tricky2309 "The penalty would be equal though, considering we've both spent two years out of Super League. Even if they do not count, I'd guess Cas would still be ahead. Besides, IA has made an invalid point anyway originally. It's not about who has actually contributed over the past 15 years but the last licensing period in which case Cas have finished 7th and 9th and Wakey 5th and 11th

Can I just say that Cas were in a lower division in 2005 and 2007. Wakey were in a lower division in 1996, 1997 and 1998, so any penalty for this would adversely affect Wakey more than Cas. That's why I did it that way, to try to stop any accusations of bias. icon_biggrin.gif

I know that a new licence only takes into account how we feature during the previous licensing period, but I was trying to reply to the point made which was about the relative performances of Cas and Wakey during the whole of Super League. I've been accused in the past of springing too readily to the defence of Cas against people trolling on here which is why I've been more reluctant to post over the last couple of months, but this business is just getting out of hand - and in trying to set the record straight I seem to have touched a raw nerve again (partly due to the fact I mistyped a number into my spreadsheet, for which I sincerely apologise). For anyone who's interested, the 6th position I quoted was simply a typo, because when I checked it in my records (and double checked on the SL site) Wakey were indeed 5th.

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Quote: Inflatable Armadillo "Wakefield have a better on field record over the SL era than Cas, never been relegated and have an average finishing position of 8th to Cas's 9th I think. '"


Having looked at this in more detail, I fail to see at all where the figures come from.

(1) Relegation

While it's true Wakefield have never been relegated, they spent the first three years outside Superleague. Cas have only spent 2 years outside Superleague.

(2) Average Finishing Position

In the Superleague Era, as I've already posted, Cas's average finishing position is 9th, Wakefield's is 10.6th.

In Superleague alone (i.e ignoring any seasons spent in lower leagues), the average finishing positions are Cas on 8.3 and Wakefield on 9.25. In all leagues since Wakefield entered Superleague (i.e 1999 and afterwards), the average finishing positions are Cas on 9.17 and Wakefield on 9.25.

The only time that anything like your figures would apply would be if you averaged the three years 2008-2010 inclusive, with Cas on 9.3 and Wakefield on 8.3, which doesn't really fit the description "over the Super League Era"

(3) Overall Performance on the Field

According to my records, Cas have played 346 games in SL, winning 143 of them (41.3%) drawing 12 (3.5%) and losing 191 (55.2%).
Compared with this, Wakefield have played 334 games in SL, winning 120 of them (35.9%) drawing 4 (1.3%) and losing 210 (62.9%).

Cas have reached the playoffs on 4 occasions, Wakefield have done it on 2 occasions.

(These figures are to the end of the 2010 season)

In conclusion, it's difficult to say that Wakefield "have a better on field record over the SL era than Cas" because the figures just don't bear it out.

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So after all that, what's your conclusion Georgie? icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Fully "So after all that, what's your conclusion Georgie?
Soz, Fully, I'm not allowed to draw conclusions any more because some people take me to task for it, (or accuse me of being anti-Wakefield). icon_biggrin.gif

TBH, I'm in a huge dilemma over this one because it's absolutely crystal clear that there are two very persuasive sides to this argument. All I can do is try my best to present the information as accurately as I can, hoping not to type the wrong number here and there, and let people draw their own conclusions.

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Quote: Georgie Best on a Bloomer "Soz, Fully, I'm not allowed to draw conclusions any more because some people take me to task for it, (or accuse me of being anti-Wakefield). icon_rolleyes.gif ). The RFL have made this about Stadiums (which I think is wrong in the case 'between' Wakefield and Cas) and you are and Wakefield are both in the same boat and that is why you should both get more time. You think I am biased because you don't like the news... well once again... tough!

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Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "[i... More condescending bullcrap[/i'"


Whatever dude, am still trying to figure out why you are so popular on the Wakey board and yet you are so vilified on here. Must be your neutrality that so offends/pleases people.

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Quote: ParanoidAndroid "Whatever dude, am still trying to figure out why you are so popular on the Wakey board and yet you are so vilified on here. Must be your neutrality that so offends/pleases people.'"


Right, must go after this post... I occasionally have to do some work and have a plane to catch! icon_wink.gif

I have just told the truth on there too but of course I am actively supporting Newmarket because I live close to the site and of course, the previous Wakey regime was guilty of understating and under-presenting Newmarket, and I don't want to get into a RW bashing argument again, so lets just say Cas have been much better at presenting the positives...

I know why some posters don't like me, because they don't like the news, it does challenge the perception of most Cas fans and that is the issue... but that is just how it is... I can't change that!

I have some more information coming in and also another theory, but might not share those yet without some more cross-checking of the information!

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