Your point is not relevant. Your club were fined partly for [i"failure to undertake a meaningful inquiry afterwards"[/i.

The point was made that "meaningful" is subjective and the implication made that it was less valid because of that.

I made the argument that many cases of interpretation of "laws", of sports, and even of the country, are subjective, and are therefore decided by a representative of the presiding authority, whether that be a judge acting for the RFL, or a magistrate acting for the state.

Therefore a subjective law is no less valid, and the fact that Cas did [inot [/iundertake a meaningful inquiry afterwards, which would have been an appropriate action to take, means they are now liable to this fine.

Dunno but if Cas do pursue it they had better hope they win or it could be ta-ta. Presumably it would then be the Boards fault!

How would it be ta-ta if they lose the case ?

rlCas to appealrl

Sounds like no-one heard it apart from a few in the WRE.
Makes you wonder how on earth ''cry baby'' heard it when he was down the other end of the field supposively concentrating on the game.

Talk about blown out of proportion

after reading through the statement from the club for which they are to base their appeal on i think they are in a very stong position but i dont claim to be some boot room barister as many others seem to be on this thread, all i am baseing my comment on is what is writen in the clubs statement and what was said by the match commisioner and other officials. I dont for one minute think the fine will be overturned because A its cas and B Thomas has gone out of his way to make it known how hurt he was by the whole incident in every media outlet that has been available to him, and unfortunatly for cas the RFL are going to have to show a strong stance against it even if it has all got blown way out of proportion and as has been mentioned earlier i think, this is not going to look good on our next SL application.

£2,666 per second of chanting - how can anyone say that isn't disproportionate?

That makes interesting reading and it would be great to hear the RFLs version of events. I imagine it would be something along the lines of, "Well Gareth is currently writing a book i think, and so needs as much publicity as he can get. As such, he's been banging on about a bunch of knuckle dragging northerners from a homophobic town called Castleford. We haven't the foggiest clue what happened to be honest, but since there was a lot of bad mouthing of our sport in the press we thought we'd randomly apply a fine of £40k to make it look like we're really serious about sorting all this out and that we're in touch with our feminine side".

So? Are you suggesting a sitting Judge would endanger his reputation and livelihood by not dealing with this matter in an unbiased manner instead joining in in some RFL conspiracy against Cas?

Where did I say that? I was merely commenting on the fact it isn't a judiciary.

It should be overturned for the simple fact it wasn't raised initially, and further more Cas should take legal action against Thomas himself for the way he is trying portray the club.

Thomas has not said anything other than what happened, he has just said it a lot. Cas has nothing to sue him for.

This rather indicates you consider the decision was already made before the Judge heard the case.

But was there REALLY any need for him to say the teams name everywhere he possibly could and make it out like millions of people were ganging up on him as opposed to the facts which were 15 chavs were chanting something that wasn't audible to 99% of the people in attendance, including most importantly, the Match Commissioner, Thomas wouldn't have heard the chants at the game I'll tell you that now.

Personally I don't believe so, but my point is legally Cas have nothing to sue for. I was stood about the same distance from the chabters as GT, and I heard it. He was at the other end of the pitch when they were singing about holding hands, he was very near when they were singing about his sexual practices. I can assure you he did hear it. If he hadn't how would he know to complain?

from what it says in the cas statement i would say you are bang on with that comment, i thought it was standard practice for the match commisioner to attend any hearing that was relevant to a game he had attended, but seeing as his view did not suit the RLs view he was not required to attend the hearing and it also seems that reading between the lines the RFL atempted to hold the hearing at a time when he would be unable to attend, as i have said earlier in my opinion the matter has been blown out of all proportion, i heard the chanting myself but for anyone who was not at the game and did not hear it you would not think we were talking about the same incident, especially with a 40K fine and the clubs name being dragged through the mud.