The relevant law is Section 10, Law 2 relating to accidental knock-on. This discussion seems to be surrounding people's interpretations of the word 'regains' within this law. If a player grounds the ball cleanly after having previously knocked-on accidentally, are they deemed to have regained the ball?



My interpretation in this situation is that he hasn't regained it and that in actual fact, the ball touching the ground complete's the knock-on. However there is nothing in the glossary to clarify this, the following may be of assistance though

Quote: overthemoon "Like it or not, to the letter of the law Liam Watts did score a try. SECTION 6 SCORING – TRIES AND GOALS Value 1. A try shall count four points. Try and Goal A conversion goal or a penalty goal shall count two points. A drop goal during play shall count one point. Deciding winners 2. (a) The game shall be won by the team scoring the greater number of points. If both teams score an equal number of points, or if both teams fail to score, then the game shall be drawn. Try – How scored 3. A try is scored when(a) a player first grounds the ball in his opponents’ in-goal, provided that he is not in touch or touch in-goal or on or over the dead ball line. (b) opposing players simultaneously ground the ball in the in-goal area provided that the attacking player is not in touch or touch in-goal or on or over the dead ball line. Sliding try (c) a tackled player’s momentum carries him into the opponents’ in-goal where he grounds the ball even if the ball has first touched the ground in the field of play but provided that when the ball crosses the goal line the player is not in touch or touch in-goal or on or over the dead ball line.'" Downward pressure my backside! www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... Episode_5/ 11 mins 10 seconds into it. The ball hits the floor before he makes contact.

Quote: overthemoon "Like it or not, to the letter of the law Liam Watts did score a try. SECTION 6 SCORING – TRIES AND GOALS Value 1. A try shall count four points. Try and Goal A conversion goal or a penalty goal shall count two points. A drop goal during play shall count one point. Deciding winners 2. (a) The game shall be won by the team scoring the greater number of points. If both teams score an equal number of points, or if both teams fail to score, then the game shall be drawn. Try – How scored 3. A try is scored when(a) a player first grounds the ball in his opponents’ in-goal, provided that he is not in touch or touch in-goal or on or over the dead ball line. (b) opposing players simultaneously ground the ball in the in-goal area provided that the attacking player is not in touch or touch in-goal or on or over the dead ball line. Sliding try (c) a tackled player’s momentum carries him into the opponents’ in-goal where he grounds the ball even if the ball has first touched the ground in the field of play but provided that when the ball crosses the goal line the player is not in touch or touch in-goal or on or over the dead ball line.'" Downward pressure my backside! www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... Episode_5/ 11 mins 10 seconds into it. The ball hits the floor before he makes contact.

The rules still support Liam Watts from what I can gather.

Watts definitely is touching the ball before it hits the floor, whether he thought he'd scored or not.

That was a definate no try. What a shame the video ref was so blind.

what an absolute disgrace of a decision if that was a try why wasn,t ainscough in first half i personally think the dobbins were there for the taking but u seem to switch off same problem as fc have had in the previous two seasons

Unfortunately, what you or me or anyone, except the VR, would like to think is irrelevant. A player does not have to be in control of the ball, he just needs to have downward pressure. Whether the law sucks is another matter.

Yes that is true for a try but if he knocks on first then it rules out the possibility for a try.

im huddersfield.................... cas were robbed. everybody knows it!

That's the nub of it. I've been racking my memory for incidents in open play where the player loses control/fumbles & then regathers, I'm sure I've seen loads & play on as been given. But the only one I can vividly recollect is Carvell for Wire last year when he fumbled before regaining control & going about 80m to score. Ironically that should not have been given, according to the rules, as it connected with the oppostion defender before he regathered.

Thinking about this again last night and the interpretation of the word 'regain'. The most logical assumption one could make to clarify this grey area is that it means 'regain possession'. Then refer to my previous post for a clear meaning of the term 'in possession'...

Easy you lose the ball FORWARD and you dont catch it again BEFORE it hits the foor, its KNOCK ON!! RFL turning game in to a laughing stock cummings should stand down full time refs what a joke!!!

I got bored after reading the first three pages .

~hands over the Whinos title~

Win some . Lose some . Who cares ?
Life goes on . There's always next week .


BTW . We was robbed when you beat us ... NOT
We had a bad night , you had a good night .
FFS .. get over it .