Several injuries and outplayed by arguably the best St Helens side in a few years, who are hitting the top peak of their form.

Although I agree don't talk to us about injuries, you had 5, we've played games this year with 13 players missing, now thats an injury crisis! Its how you cope with the injuries which determines how good a side you are, you obviously need to steer clear of your fair share as today as shown you will struggle. Hopefully Westerman will get a week or two's rest after his unfortunate injury and with a bit of luck when he comes back fresh TM will start to use him properly, as, from what I've seen this season he isn't being allowed to show his obvious talents. Whether this is because TM is trying to take some pressure off Joe I'm not sure, but, for me to get the best out of him he must be allowed to play his natural game.

We don't have strength in depth, you do. And as said on the thread previously, you have a number of attacking players you can rely on. Nullify Sherwin and McGoldrick in ours and you have no creativity and Saints have the talents to do just that.

When you consider we had Evans, Feather, Jones, Ferres, Hudson, Widders and then Westerman go off today we lost several of our key players.

Give it a rest with the we've had more injurys than you ffs? We've suffered today because of influential players not being there--end of discussion.
As for our use of Westy, he isn't being protected, he's out there as a battering ram and a tackling machine. We are so not using his talents

Fair enough as we agreed before you are buggered when it comes to injuries, hope you steer clear cos a strong Cas and a strong Wakey can only be good for each other, we need you as much as you need us, its a healthy rivalry. If the rumours are true about Houghton from Hull then you've got a good un there and hopefully for you he will take some of the pressure off of Shifty and Goldy.

Thanks for your unsolicited opinion. FWIW, I don't thing we're doing too bad in our 'consolidation' season.

I'll never grow up
You've somehow got hold of very average players and made them do a fantastic job for you. How Trinity do this I'd love to know

As for Westy, ffs we agree, not happy about agreeing with a Trinity fan though

The point I was making is that youre excuse for the good fridays game dosent wash with me or the majority of fans.

Never said you weren't! You're doing very well, its just your squad looks a little vulnerable, steer clear of injuries and continue with your good form then you should make the 8.

It does, but its not that simple, everything about the players improves beyond recognition, look at Wilkes as a great example.

Strength, fitness, skill level, team ethic.....can Kear improve all this? He must have a great set up to back him up. Fair play to him, and Trinity.

Paul Broadbent does a lot of work with the forwards, people tend to forget about him, Beans was a top forward in his day and people often forget about him. Our fitness and conditioning coach Colin Sanctuary is also top notch - he regularly has the lads (particularly the forwards) in for extra work before training begins. Credit must also go the players for wanting it so much and having the willingness to go in for the extra sessions and also for listening to what the coaches have to say and and taking things on board.

We all know how bad Richie Moore looked when he was diagnosed with Crohnes but you should see him now he looks as fit as ever, Richard has stuck to the medical advice he has been given re diet etc and he has worked extremely hard with colin to build his fitness levels up, what they have achieved is nothing short of miraculous!

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broadbent has done wounders with all are forwards, e.g wilkes, moore, bibey ect.