It's been a problem for years with Cas, can't hold a lead and can't pin the opponent back inside their 10 without conceding a penalty.

What's with your bizarre hatred of Castleford? Let's have a look at the facts shall we?

Bradford have a worse disciplinary record this season having conceded 33 penalties to Castleford's 31.

Indeed, Huddersfield (41), Warrington (3icon_cool.gif, Leeds (35) and Wakefield (37) also have worse disciplinary records than Cas this season.

In 2009, Castleford's penalty haul of 206 was bettered by Leeds (215), Salford (223), Huddersfield (23icon_cool.gif and Catalans (253). Bradford were just 5 penalties better behaved - conceding 201.

In 2008, Castleford conceded 224 penalties. Better than Huddersfield (227), Quins (22icon_cool.gif, Hull KR (230), Wakefield (235) and Catalans (255). Where were Bradford? They conceded 221 penalties - a whole three fewer than Castleford

So that's discipline - Cas averaging around the sixth worst behaved team in SL. Let's have a gander at handling errors...

Well this season, Cas have made 50. Behind Salford (51), Crusaders (53), Wakefield (55), Wigan (55), Huddersfield (55), Catalans (56), Warrington (59) and Leeds (60)

In 2009, Cas made 325 errors - the tenth worst record in the league. Who was above them? Only Leeds (33icon_cool.gif, Crusaders (340), Wigan (347), Hull KR (351), Catalans (355), Bradford (360), Warrington (367), Saints (371) and Huddersfield (373)

In 2008, Cas made 286 errors - bettered by Hull (293), Catalans (29icon_cool.gif, Leeds (309), Bradford (311), Warrington (336) and Quins (349)

But hey, don't let your blinkered hatred get in the way of the facts eh?

Higgins thought he got a forearm in the mush so tried to take the HKRs player's head off. He may have been correct, but you just have to take it on the chin, so to speak.

What a pathetic statement. I have supported Cas for 30 years, but that doesn't mean I am blind to their weaknesses & it doesn't bother me to say it or if it upsets you. They have been crap for most of every game this season. Against Leeds they were overawed, they didn't expect to win, neither did the fans. It wasn't unitl they got 8 points up in the second half that both the team & fans believed that a soft Leeds were there for the beating. Against Bradford & Wire they were shocking. I thought they showed good touches against HKR but then went to pieces when the pressure told. I think this is as weak a pack as I can remember in my time.

I was obviously wrong about discipline. hey-ho.

Is this going anywhere ?

I think that's the difference - the emphasis on regathering the ball (and with it regaining full control) to prevent completion of the knock-on. On this occasion, completion of the knock-on occurred when the ball hit the floor in the in-goal area.

You're a Cas fan for 30 years who has a Bradford avatar and spends all their time on the Bradford board? ooooookaaaaaaay...

Just seen it for the first time, apart from live at the game.
I thought a player had to be in full control of the ball to score a try.
Watts just stuck his hand out and hoped for the best. he just clipped the ball....if thats full control then god help us.
If that had been in the field of play it would be classed as a knock on.

Missionary work.

There are times like this one when recollecting the ball isn't appropriate or even possible. In that sense I think the argument for the try being awarded is that he got his hand onto the ball and as such got as much control as he could possibly get.

Another issue I have always had with knock-ons is the whole "did it go backwards?" argument. I think we have been quite fortunate with a few incidents where we've dropped the ball but it has been deemed to have gone backwards. Sherwin dropping the ball before Shenny's full lengther against Leeds immediately springs to mind as does another incident in that game where Scott Moore dropped the ball from a Guttenbeil offload which led to Westerman's try.

Rules are supposed to be clear and the knock on rule is far from clear for many reasons. Would it be easier to award a knock on for a clear loss of ball control in which cases all 3 incidents mentioned before would be given as knock ons? The downside of this is more stoppages which nobody wants.

I suppose the benefit we have with this particularly incident is that a precedent has now been set for awarding a try if it occurs again. We can argue that it ultimately cost us the game but I'm of the inclination that we didn't win on Saturday because we failed to put the game to bed. Sure, it was unfortunate that it had to go against us but these things happen.

I think thats slightly harsh on the player.

However, I agree on the last part, if it happened in the middle of the field it would have been a knock on for sure. The confusion.

Spot on.

AFAIK you don't need to be in full control - just downward pressure. In effect you could run full pelt past a still ball & just tap down on it with your little finger. No way are you controlling the ball but it would be a try.

Like it or not, to the letter of the law Liam Watts did score a try.

SECTION 6
SCORING – TRIES AND GOALS
Value 1. A try shall count four points.
Try and Goal A conversion goal or a penalty goal shall count two
points. A drop goal during play shall count one point.

Deciding winners 2.

(a) The game shall be won by the team scoring the
greater number of points. If both teams score an
equal number of points, or if both teams fail to
score, then the game shall be drawn.

Try – How scored 3. A try is scored when(a) a player first grounds the ball in his opponents’
in-goal, provided that he is not in touch or touch
in-goal or on or over the dead ball line.

(b) opposing players simultaneously ground the ball
in the in-goal area provided that the attacking
player is not in touch or touch in-goal or on or
over the dead ball line.

Sliding try (c) a tackled player’s momentum carries him into the
opponents’ in-goal where he grounds the ball
even if the ball has first touched the ground in the
field of play but provided that when the ball
crosses the goal line the player is not in touch or
touch in-goal or on or over the dead ball line.