And that is why you're the most disliked team in the game. What the hell does chanting negative stuff about Leeds got to do with us achieving anything on the field? It aint just Cas fans that dislike you, it's everyone.

Small town, small mind mentality. That's the problem. Most definitely not the fact that you are getting beat by a team that are current SL champions and have been 5 times in 8 seasons, plus current World champions. It's got nothing to do with that? Just the refs and the governing body are involved in a conspiracy.

You genuinely should seek a mental health worker.

We are the most disliked because we are the most successful team in the sallary cap era. With jealousy comes hate! Same reason most fans bag Tomkin.

Personally, i've said nothing along the lines of you winning because of the ref. Halls try in my opinion wasn't a try. But ultimately it was our fault for the pathetic defending after he collected the ball. You're a damn good side and have the best back line in the game. A lot of Cas fans feel hard done by last night, because it was never a 22 point game, and ultimately 1 or 2 decisions going against you can be vital. LeedsOwl is chatting total e. Wigan are the most successful side in RL History, i dislike them because of their cheating to avoid the drop, you lot accuse us of being bad losers, but you're by far the classless winners in the game, hence why the majority want you to fail more then the wigans, wires, St's etc. Not that it really matters, just saying.

I'm not too fussed if people hate us or not! Leeds are a very popular team over here where they appreciate our achievements.

I think you will find Leeds are the most successful team in the salary cap era! Not Wigan who compared to Leeds, Saints and Bradford have failed miserably since the cap was brought in. Wigan bought their success pre salary cap.

Given St Helens have won 1 Super League Champions (SL1) and 4 Grand Finals (5 runners up, 1 Stones Premiership runners-up), 7 Challenge Cups (1 runners up), 2 World Club Challenge victories (2 runners-up apps) whereas Leeds have won 5 Grand Finals (2 runners up) and 1 Challenge Cup (5 runners up) and 3 World Club Challenge victories (2 runners-up apps), I'd say that Saints are the most successful side in the 'salary cap era'.


Saints have won 14 major trophies/titles since 1996 whereas Leeds have won 9. Saints have been runners-up 9 times, Leeds 9 times.

14 beats 9, 9 is a draw against 9 and 23 beats 18. Game, set, match St Helens.

(and just for the record I never said Wigan were the most successful side in SL era, just in RL era!)

Don't worry. He'll change tack now and say that he actually only meant the SL competition, even though the salary cap applies across all competitions.

Ah selective arguing there. Leeds are the only team to win SL Back to back titles, they are the only team ever to win SL 3 times in a row. Leeds are the only team to win the GF and WCC in the same season. Leeds are the only team to win 5 GF's.

Leeds may not have as many CC's as saints but have more WCC's, plus they hold 4 unpresidented records in the game.

Probably so. I don't wana derail too much. Overall, I thought a couple of big decisions harshly went against us. But Leeds were ruthless, clinical and Hall, BJB & Watkins were very good, but we also made them look good with McGoldrick & Griffin particularly poor in defence. But there's reason to be optimistic, we were competitive, leeds knew they'd been in a game. We need to look onwards and (hopefully) upwards. Millington impressed, ferres is getting better. Would like to see Walker added to the side for London too.

No just the facts. I didn't even mention the team we have dominated the most is saints.

What do you define as dominating?

You've beat them in 4 grand finals, I wouldn't really call it dominating. I'd guess throughout super league, they've beaten you more.

Selective arguing? Leeds have won 5 Grand Finals but Saints have won 4 Grand Finals and won the League in SL1, which would effective count as the equivalent of the GF victory at that time. Therefore, that's all square.

Besides: you said the most "successful" side. Success is usually defined by trophies. Saints have won more trophies. Doesn't matter whether they're back to back or every other year. You're not the most successful, fact, as shown above.

why do leeds celebrate the fact that ryan bailey is a cowardly thug? whilst the rest of the rugby league family condenm him the rhino's defend his behaviour and even seem proud of it.

PS. If you want to bring in a load of things such as "records", which don't define success in the grand scheme of things but more consistency and benchmark at this moment in time, then by my guest.

Personally, success over a sustained period of time is all about the numbers. Is a team that wins 4 back to back titles more successful than one that has won 4 over a period of 15 years? No.