as a hull kr fan ive never encountered any bother with cas fans home or away in 20 odd years there does seem to be a bit of a witch hunt latley

Agree entirely with just about every word, society has changed while we have been growing up. I genuinely cannot see a scenario where people will reprimand each other, there are too many people who think the answer is to prove their manhood and get into a penis measuring competition.

Only my view that the only way to make a lasting chnage to improve matters for everyone is with yourself.

"fun time frankie" that is great news, I am not particularly talking about bother because thankfully I dont think it is a big issue in our sport - but offensive chanting is, whether we like it or not for a lot of clubs - Including our own and given we did have a judgement against us for past misdemeanors, we are going to be looked at more closely.

I am more shocked that a balanced adult discussion has broken out - it wont last.

Ha ha! It does feel strange doesn't it?

I agree with everything you've said mdean, and you too Bren! (no kiss this time though!)

A group of lads were chanting things along these lines at our friendly a few weeks back. As your team were walking back after scoring they were chanting something like "Gay in the team, we have a gay in our team..." Some of the players heard this and looked up at them, they didn't seem very impressed. There's always some spoiling it for the rest, I found everyone else to be spot on.

Same here steady, bad language is unfortunately rife in all sport these days, but as with the incident that was blown out of all proportion when we played Crusaders, we will get slated more than others because we are an easy target.

I really do wish we could sing something positive at games and cut out the bad language, it's not good when we are trying to attract families to the sport, but having said all that, Cas should definitely not be singled out as there are far worse offenders, but the best way forward is just don't use foul and abusive language and give those with nothing better to do, the ammunition to castigate us once again.

Will be interesting to see if Mr Wilson reports about the language of the rhino fans in a game that is being broadcast in oz. You can clearly hear Leeds fan commenting on Jamie Lyons self gratifacation habits!!

It's a pity that people on here have taken the approach they have towards Andy Wilson and his comments. He heard what he heard and he commented upon it. He would say the same thing about any group of fans no matter which club they supported, assuming he heard them first of course. And it wasn't as if he was saying all Cas fans were like that; just a group of them. Every club has them. He just happened to hear your lot and was bothered by it. He isn't alone in being bothered by the element within each club who choose to be abusive. I don't like the element within my own fanbase who are like that and I would hope that if Andy Wilson, or any other journalist, heard any Saints fans being abusive he would embarrass them by naming and shaming them in his articles.

I'm not a Guardian reader but the Guardian is now the only broadsheet to employ an RL correspondent. In other words, those who read the broadsheets are rarely, if ever, exposed to our game. Often, though not always, people who read the broadsheets are also people who have money and connections, and our sport needs money and connections.

Instead of abusing Andy Wilson (who is a very good journalist actually), why don't you read his weekly blog and maybe join in some discussion there - not abusive or silly stuff but good stuff about rugby league - and support the one remaining dedicated broadsheet RL correspondent still in existence, before we lose him as well?

He isn't, he's a hack.

And it isn't the first time he's gone out of his way to say things about this about the Cas fans, he makes sure to mention it and does NOT mention it for any other team, if he did he would do it every week for every team.

He's a penis and first class, wont it be sad when they get shut

And people are trying to convince themselves that there isn't an abusive element among Cas fans?

I suppose you will be happy then when RL gets no media exposure at all? So no sponsors and therefore no money and clubs get into more financial trouble. Glad the sport doesn't rely on people like you.

But it wasn't an "abusive" element of Cas fans.

It was the Cas fans who dared to sing a song with a swearword in it when the game was live on television.

The fact that he wrote it about Cas and doesn't dare say it about anyone else is the problem. As people have already highlighted, James Graham v Leeds is on example. Where was his similar vilification of the South Stand when they sang songs there? Other clubs similarly do it on a weekly basis.

I would expect this thread to grow and grow throughout the season with accounts of where fans have "abused" or used swearwords in songs.

Funnily enough the only ground where there is no systematic bad language chanting (by the home crowd anyway) is at Gilbert Brutus. There is one particular song aimed at the ref, used probably four or five times each season, along the lines of "Ref you are breaking our b@lls", or if the Ref is particularly bad, we sing the Millaise. All the chanting is to encourage the home team and there is NEVER any chant against the opposing team or supporters.

Having said that are chants are very limited: Catalans, Allez, Allez, Allez, The Santa Espina (a local folk song) and "Ils sont la".

I think that chants against the opposition must be a cultural thing in the UK.

Funny, anyone else remember how the pop end at kr came across on tv ??? The biggest gathering of unwashed foul mouthed inbred scousers known to man. Mind when it's a 'fashionable' club we can gloss over it.

Glass houses !!!!

And yet another example of the abusive element among Cas fans! I think you'd be better suited at football with that attitude.