Thats true and the strange thing is I had Grix written down and forgot to include him. Also your right Shifty and McG are extremely pivotal to our season and if one or the other are missing we are going to lose a lot. If, or should I say when both are missing, we will really feel the heat. We have only got Chase in reserve.

Sherwin is massively pivotal to us and he is a player that not only has to be hidden in defence, he is being hidden if you watch closely. This, many people think is because he is advancing in years or carrying an injury, but its also an admission that we need to look after him and keep him free from injury if we are to have a good season and keep the momentum going.

Our threadbare squad is and has been a worry to me and I sincerely hope that if any players of the right calibre do become available, that we make a genuine attempt to recruit them.

Sort of - he was signed before the season started I think but was held up by visa issues. To be honest Frank is a speculator anyway.

Again, a second time....this has been on the cards a long time. I know Joe's injury takes away all meaning of the result, but still, these things happen to an extent and it's just a thing we sadly have to get on with.

what happened today then ?

Several injuries and outplayed by arguably the best St Helens side in a few years, who are hitting the top peak of their form.

Although I agree don't talk to us about injuries, you had 5, we've played games this year with 13 players missing, now thats an injury crisis! Its how you cope with the injuries which determines how good a side you are, you obviously need to steer clear of your fair share as today as shown you will struggle. Hopefully Westerman will get a week or two's rest after his unfortunate injury and with a bit of luck when he comes back fresh TM will start to use him properly, as, from what I've seen this season he isn't being allowed to show his obvious talents. Whether this is because TM is trying to take some pressure off Joe I'm not sure, but, for me to get the best out of him he must be allowed to play his natural game.

We don't have strength in depth, you do. And as said on the thread previously, you have a number of attacking players you can rely on. Nullify Sherwin and McGoldrick in ours and you have no creativity and Saints have the talents to do just that.

When you consider we had Evans, Feather, Jones, Ferres, Hudson, Widders and then Westerman go off today we lost several of our key players.

Give it a rest with the we've had more injurys than you ffs? We've suffered today because of influential players not being there--end of discussion.
As for our use of Westy, he isn't being protected, he's out there as a battering ram and a tackling machine. We are so not using his talents

Fair enough as we agreed before you are buggered when it comes to injuries, hope you steer clear cos a strong Cas and a strong Wakey can only be good for each other, we need you as much as you need us, its a healthy rivalry. If the rumours are true about Houghton from Hull then you've got a good un there and hopefully for you he will take some of the pressure off of Shifty and Goldy.

Grow up this is not a we've had more than you discussion, ffs we've had several influential players out this year but what im saying is that the team needs to adapt to not having these players on board, this is where, quite possibly, the recruitment selection from TM could come under scrutiny. You need players who can adapt to different situations, you seem to have players who have one maybe two positions and roles within the team at most. As for westy agree entirely and for me its totally baffling. If he carries on being used this way he will suffer from burn out quite early in his career much the same as Langley at the Bulls. I hope to god he doesn't because he has quite clearly got the skills to be a potentially great player.

Thanks for your unsolicited opinion. FWIW, I don't thing we're doing too bad in our 'consolidation' season.

I'll never grow up


You've somehow got hold of very average players and made them do a fantastic job for you. How Trinity do this I'd love to know



As for Westy, ffs we agree, not happy about agreeing with a Trinity fan though