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Quote: waltontiger "So are you saying abusing "fat or Ginger" is acceptable.'"


Are you saying Schools should punish kids for calling another Fat, Ginger, Big Eared?

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when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four..... ......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation...... big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on' [quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. :lol:[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [img:3gx4tjo6]http://www.rlfans.com/images/sigs/castigers.gif[/img:3gx4tjo6]:32116.jpg



Quote: Gotcha "You really are scraping the barrell.

This is the defintion that the RFL follow to the letter.

The indirect discrimination defined here would by Homophobia which the RFL clearly have set as a rule.

They have no such rule for Fat, Ginger, Big Eared, Pug Faced, or the like. And nor are they ever likely to have such a rule until society or a goverment act is brough in to do so.

However, should a young kid at grass roots level go to his local junior club and be refused permisison to play because the coach says he's ginger, then I am pretty confident the RFL would not look to favourably on that incident.'"


I dont know how you 'get scraping the bottom of the barrel' it sounds more like you wish to ignore the points i raised, in the rfl respect policy the exact phrase 'no form of discrimination will be tolerated' is used, not we will only protect certain groups in this list.

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when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four..... ......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation...... big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on' [quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. :lol:[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [img:3gx4tjo6]http://www.rlfans.com/images/sigs/castigers.gif[/img:3gx4tjo6]:32116.jpg



Quote: Gotcha "Are you saying Schools should punish kids for calling another Fat, Ginger, Big Eared?'"


I should hope they would like any other form of bullying. If we teach kids that some forms of discrimination are ok then we will never get rid of it.

Allowing some groups to be abused and not others is bigotry itself.

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If there are homophobic chants heard at the Raceourse Ground in Wrexham

Who gets fined ?

If there are homophobic , racist or sexist chants heard at the KC stadium , the LSV or the Stobart stadium

Who gets fined ?

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Quote: pyeman "I dont know how you 'get scraping the bottom of the barrel' it sounds more like you wish to ignore the points i raised, in the rfl respect policy the exact phrase 'no form of discrimination will be tolerated' is used, not we will only protect certain groups in this list.'"


And that discrimination is defined above. Look it up.

The only form of direct discrimination is race, colour, nationality, or ethnic or national origin. So when the RFL say will not be tolerated that is what they are talking about.

They further clarify in their policy that Homophobia will also not be tolerated, which is defined as Indirect discrimination. Indirect disrcimination is dealt with by specific rules.

The RFL have no specifica rules for, Fat, Ginger, Big Eared, Pug Faced, 12 fingered, or the like.

Therefore they are following their policy appropriately.

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Quote: pyeman "I should hope they would like any other form of bullying. If we teach kids that some forms of discrimination are ok then we will never get rid of it.

Allowing some groups to be abused and not others is bigotry itself.'"


I don't want to get patronising, but now you are just been stupid.

Bullying is an act of persistent abuse not a one off comment. Calling somebody a name is exactly that. That has been going on in schools since the beginning of schooling. You can not tell me that you have gone through school without been called a name? No school would give punishment for a simple name call.

However, like true discrimination is defined if any schoolkid gave racist comments, sexual comments, or homophobic comments, they would be punished instantly. That is life mate, you need to get out if you truely believe it is any different to that.

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Quote: Gotcha "And that discrimination is defined above. Look it up.

The only form of direct discrimination is race, colour, nationality, or ethnic or national origin. So when the RFL say will not be tolerated that is what they are talking about.

They further clarify in their policy that Homophobia will also not be tolerated, which is defined as Indirect discrimination. Indirect disrcimination is dealt with by specific rules.

The RFL have no specifica rules for, Fat, Ginger, Big Eared, Pug Faced, 12 fingered, or the like.

Therefore they are following their policy appropriately.'"


Would ' travelling friends ' come under that banner ?

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Quote: Starbug "Would ' travelling friends ' come under that banner ?'"


I doubt it. Because the word for true Gypo's is Romany isn't it? and that became the wording to try and seperate themselves from certain travellers we see today.

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The referee's a W and we ''all hate leeds' was NEVER sang at yesterday game.

I was in the WRE all game, i was alert everytime a song was sung and made a note of listening to all songs.

Neither of them songs were sang yesterday.

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Quote: Gotcha "I doubt it. Because the word for true travelling friend's is Romany isn't it? and that became the wording to try and seperate themselves from certain travellers we see today.'"



If you were calling some fans Gypsys in derogatively way , would that be classed as abuse ?

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when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four..... ......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation...... big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on' [quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. :lol:[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [img:3gx4tjo6]http://www.rlfans.com/images/sigs/castigers.gif[/img:3gx4tjo6]:32116.jpg



Quote: Gotcha "And that discrimination is defined above. Look it up.

The only form of direct discrimination is race, colour, nationality, or ethnic or national origin. So when the RFL say will not be tolerated that is what they are talking about.

They further clarify in their policy that Homophobia will also not be tolerated, which is defined as Indirect discrimination. Indirect disrcimination is dealt with by specific rules.

The RFL have no specifica rules for, Fat, Ginger, Big Eared, Pug Faced, 12 fingered, or the like.

Therefore they are following their policy appropriately.'"


So what your saying is the when the rfl state no form of discrimination will be allowed what they actually mean is that some forms of discrimination are allowed?

If they say that 'no form of discrimination is allowed' in their policy, allowing any form of discrimination is not following their policy.

Now you can try to wriggle out of that all you like, but if they state NO FORM of discrimination will be tolerated then they should not allow any form of discrimination to take place. If they have to change the lettering of their own rules in order to comply with there own policy then thats what the rfl clearly need to do.

Anyway i've asked the rfl to clarify the policy with regards to allowing certain groups to be abused hopefully they can settle this.

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when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four..... ......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation...... big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on' [quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. :lol:[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [img:3gx4tjo6]http://www.rlfans.com/images/sigs/castigers.gif[/img:3gx4tjo6]:32116.jpg



Quote: poppys mum "The referee's a W and we ''all hate leeds' was NEVER sang at yesterday game.

I was in the WRE all game, i was alert everytime a song was sung and made a note of listening to all songs.

Neither of them songs were sang yesterday.'"


I was at the railway end and confirm no such chating took place there either, as we too were listening out.

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when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four..... ......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation...... big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on' [quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. :lol:[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [img:3gx4tjo6]http://www.rlfans.com/images/sigs/castigers.gif[/img:3gx4tjo6]:32116.jpg



Quote: Gotcha "I don't want to get patronising, but now you are just been stupid.

Bullying is an act of persistent abuse not a one off comment. Calling somebody a name is exactly that. That has been going on in schools since the beginning of schooling. You can not tell me that you have gone through school without been called a name? No school would give punishment for a simple name call.

However, like true discrimination is defined if any schoolkid gave racist comments, sexual comments, or homophobic comments, they would be punished instantly. That is life mate, you need to get out if you truely believe it is any different to that.'"


In my experiance when people say they dont want to be patronising it generally means they do.

In my school any name calling was treated as bullying and you would be punished for it. The punishment was usually innefective and made the problem worse but the school still treat it as bullying. they didnt have a policy of that you had to call some a name x amount of times before it became bullying. They didnt try to wriggle out of there own policies by arguing about the wording of them.

I'm not trying to tell you i was never called a name, or indeed that i never called anyone a name that doesnt mean that it was ok then and it doesnt mean its ok now. We should always try to discourage discrimination, it may not work but that doesnt mean we shouldnt try.

Trying to justify any form of abuse by saying its allways happened is missing the point entirley, homophobia was accepted or even encouraged for thousands of years, that doesnt mean we should tolerate it now, or that we should tolerate any other form of personal abuse.

Any organsiation that states they 'will not tolerate any form of discrimination' should not tolerate any form of discrimination. Its not a hard concept to grasp. You cant say we wont allow discrimination and then say well actually we allow discrimnation and abuse as long as its not to one of the groups on a list. Allowing some groups to be abused and others not to be just creates divisions in society and is just as bad being the one abusing someone.

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Quote: Gotcha "I'm glad you said that. So now I take it you also think that Cas should be penalised further after yesterday's match? I was at your game yesterday, as I am at the majority of your home matches, and you can not get away from the fact that the crowd were singing "the referees a w@n*er", can you now? Nor can you get away with the constant singing of "we all hate Leeds scum, we all hate Leeds scum", along to the music after every score, can you now? where will it stop? I noticed quite clearly a piece of scum walking out of the ground in tears after that 4th try.'"


Firstly, for christs sake, go on to the Cas website and read their appeal statement in which they tell everyone what they did before the GT incident, at the time of the incident and after the incident. You obviously don't know what was chanted, by how many people and what exactly the Cas club do about equality in and around Castleford and during the game.

Secondly, don't post lies stating that Cas fans sang "the referees a wan$er" when it's clearly obvious you didn't attend the game on sunday because they never once sang it. I was part of our "kop" fans that were doing all the chanting, like poppys mum also.

Thirdly, why the hell am i wasting time answering someone who blatantly doesn't read any facts and blatantly lies to try to make himself look good. Now go away.

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Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
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Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
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Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
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Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
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