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| Quote: pyeman "The rfl have now set a precedent, unless there is a bias all club should be treated eqaully.'"
So we're going to complain about every game then?
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| Quote: waltontiger "But Leeds were guilty of abusing a player...but because of an implied sliding abuse/moral scale should be overlooked against what the RFL are trying to implement with their Respect policy?'"
It doesn't say anything of the like in the respect policy.
You also have to remember that respect policy is right the way down to the grass roots of the game, not just at pro level. And therefore is trying to cover everything that it can.
As with any rule in life you need to use common sense aswell. Something that appears to be lacking by some posters I can see.
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| Abuse is Abuse you cannot differentiate
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| Quote: waltontiger "Abuse is Abuse you cannot differentiate'"
Society in general differentiate, so of course you can differentiate. Does that make it right? no in my opinion.
But regardless are you seriously foolish enough to argue that the RFL should adopt a different view to society in general?
You do realise that Racist, Homophobic, or Sexist comments are not acceptable in society full stop by law? and that the RFL deal with those type of comments in the same manner.
Did you hold the same views before last week? Are you going to say that it does not matter that it was Leeds on Saturday, but I would have said the same even if we had not got a fine?
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| It didn't matter it was Leeds just as it was unlucky to be first on sky as it was Cas for gt first away game.
The policy is matter of fact and not open to interpretation or else it would be vague guidelines and not a policy.
And yes before last week I have had personal knowledge of the fine line between banter and abuse/bullying, so have my values set accordingly.
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| Quote: Gotcha "How do you work that one out?
How can you be punished for something in the game that is not against the rules of the game?
The rules didn't change you know just because Cas fans kicked up a stink about their own punishment. You were punished within the rules of the game. I have seen enough of your posts to know you are not foolish, so surely you are not daft enough to think clubs should be punished outside of the rules?'"
It says in the rfl respect policy that no form of discrimination will be tolerated, if we ignore one form of discrimination and punish another it shows that some forms of discrimination will be tolerated and i think we can both agree that is wrong.
The rules can be changed and applied retrospectivly in order to deal with an issue that is against rfl policy but not in the letter of the law (such as punishing hull for fielding an illegible player in the cup despite no punishment being in the rules beforehand), its pretty clear that if the rfls policy is to not tolerate any form of discrimination then the rules should be in place to reflect that.
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| Quote: waltontiger "The policy is matter of fact and not open to interpretation or else it would be vague guidelines and not a policy.'"
There is no policy on fat or ginger chants. Show me where it states that anywhere in a policy.
What it does enforce is adhering to the family image, which is going all the way down to grass roots level. It also states that you should not be allowed to attend a game under the influence of alchohol, is that enforced?
But where it is clear in it's policy is to follow the laws of the country and society in general, where it makes clear, Racist, Homophobic, or Sexual chants/comments will not be tolerated and punishment will be made.
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| So are you saying abusing "fat or Ginger" is acceptable.
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| Quote: pyeman "It says in the rfl respect policy that no form of discrimination will be tolerated, if we ignore one form of discrimination and punish another it shows that some forms of discrimination will be tolerated and i think we can both agree that is wrong.
The rules can be changed and applied retrospectivly in order to deal with an issue that is against rfl policy but not in the letter of the law (such as punishing hull for fielding an illegible player in the cup despite no punishment being in the rules beforehand), its pretty clear that if the rfls policy is to not tolerate any form of discrimination then the rules should be in place to reflect that.'"
You really are scraping the barrell.
This is the defintion that the RFL follow to the letter.
Quote: pyeman "Discrimination
To treat one particular group of people less favourably than others because of their race, colour, nationality, or ethnic or national origin. The law in Britain recognises two kinds of racial discrimination
The indirect discrimination defined here would by Homophobia which the RFL clearly have set as a rule.
They have no such rule for Fat, Ginger, Big Eared, Pug Faced, or the like. And nor are they ever likely to have such a rule until society or a goverment act is brough in to do so.
However, should a young kid at grass roots level go to his local junior club and be refused permisison to play because the coach says he's ginger, then I am pretty confident the RFL would not look to favourably on that incident.
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| Quote: waltontiger "So are you saying abusing "fat or Ginger" is acceptable.'"
Are you saying Schools should punish kids for calling another Fat, Ginger, Big Eared?
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| Quote: Gotcha "You really are scraping the barrell.
This is the defintion that the RFL follow to the letter.
The indirect discrimination defined here would by Homophobia which the RFL clearly have set as a rule.
They have no such rule for Fat, Ginger, Big Eared, Pug Faced, or the like. And nor are they ever likely to have such a rule until society or a goverment act is brough in to do so.
However, should a young kid at grass roots level go to his local junior club and be refused permisison to play because the coach says he's ginger, then I am pretty confident the RFL would not look to favourably on that incident.'"
I dont know how you 'get scraping the bottom of the barrel' it sounds more like you wish to ignore the points i raised, in the rfl respect policy the exact phrase 'no form of discrimination will be tolerated' is used, not we will only protect certain groups in this list.
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| Quote: Gotcha "Are you saying Schools should punish kids for calling another Fat, Ginger, Big Eared?'"
I should hope they would like any other form of bullying. If we teach kids that some forms of discrimination are ok then we will never get rid of it.
Allowing some groups to be abused and not others is bigotry itself.
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| If there are homophobic chants heard at the Raceourse Ground in Wrexham
Who gets fined ?
If there are homophobic , racist or sexist chants heard at the KC stadium , the LSV or the Stobart stadium
Who gets fined ?
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| Quote: Sam Buca "So we're going to complain about every game then?'"
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| Quote: pyeman "I dont know how you 'get scraping the bottom of the barrel' it sounds more like you wish to ignore the points i raised, in the rfl respect policy the exact phrase 'no form of discrimination will be tolerated' is used, not we will only protect certain groups in this list.'"
And that discrimination is defined above. Look it up.
The only form of direct discrimination is race, colour, nationality, or ethnic or national origin. So when the RFL say will not be tolerated that is what they are talking about.
They further clarify in their policy that Homophobia will also not be tolerated, which is defined as Indirect discrimination. Indirect disrcimination is dealt with by specific rules.
The RFL have no specifica rules for, Fat, Ginger, Big Eared, Pug Faced, 12 fingered, or the like.
Therefore they are following their policy appropriately.
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