A saints fan talking about other teams scoring from forward passes is a fooking wind up!

I don't know how you have the cheek?

All teams score from forward passes at some point. Anybody stating otherwise is burying their head in the sand. What is an issue is the fact that some teams get away with it more often than not; not just that but the rules aren't applied evenly with refereeing so inconsistent across the board that some times are being penalised more where others aren't.

Yesterday's game was just one example of that - you can't give a 50/50 call against Cas and then Leeds do the same and get away with it. It should be fair and both tries should be pulled up or neither.

I was speaking to a friend some time ago and we were talking about attracting new supporters to the game and he came out with what i class as a very honest answer he stated "I could bring a friend to a superleague game on week 1 and he could come away having thoroughly enjoyed the experience, then on week 2 take him to another game and he will see a game where players are getting penalised for things they got away with the week before and the things that were penalised the week before they will get away with on week 2, how confusing is that for someone who is trying to learn the game" and i honestly think he has a point one week the refs have a one directive and the next week they forget that one and start pulling something else.

So far over the last 8 days we have had a ref who couldn't hear his touch judge (who should have stood his ground and stayed where he was instead of walking towards the ref) say a player had score from an offside position, a ref who on 3 occassions struggled to count to 6 then on another counted 7, then last night a ref who pulled for forward passes that didn't exist and let blatant forward passes go. Is there any wonder the players heads go down????

We have the respect policy within rugby league, - I want to know when the ref's will start respecting the players??????

I agree with what you are saying.

But the Leeds try and the Cas no tries were totally different plays. I think some of you have a problem with the Jjb try? Leeds fired 2 short flat balls close to the defensive line. The ablett one might have been forward? The Jjb one was flat, I'm not sure if it was forward. But they are shot, sharp flat passes cloth to the defence. They are really hard to rule on for the refs. The long looping passes To the wingers are much easier to rule on and sometimes look forward even when they go back! The Cas passes fall into the second type and looked forward, the second was about 1.5 meters forward.

You can't say the refs let Leeds go and pull Cas as they are totally different plays!

Leeds would have beaten Wigan by 20 points a few weeks ago if silverwood hadn't hammered leeds for the same as he did Cas. He's very keen on pulling that play right now. A bit of thinking from Cas prematch might have helped Cas avoid what happend! Leeds left out their go to play(the same one cas got pulled for) as they new silverwood would be all over it! Clever by Leeds, not so by Cas.

Distance doesn't make a difference IMO. They were both 50/50 and Leeds got the rub of the green in both decisions and both were costly for Cas.

Of course the distance matters? At hi speed close to the defensive line the short flat ball is really hard to rule on. The ref and touchies get very little time to see the flight of the ball or get a good angle to view it. The long looping cut out pass to the winger is much easier to see as it's close to the touch judge and the ball is in flight for an age compared to a shot sharp flat ball.

You must know that? or at least be able to use reason and logic to accept that?

The long looping cut out pass is Leeds go to play! But they left it out of this weeks game plan as silverdud is hammering teams for it every week! As he did 4 times in the first half against Leeds when Leeds played Wigan a few weeks back. As I said clever Leeds, good preparation. Not so clever Cas. Matterson missed a trick there.

So forward passes over a metre are allowed and forward passes over ten metres aren't,I get it now.

I never said that. Totally didn't get my post at all.
No neither are allowed pal. The passes over a meter are much tougher to see and rule on than the long passes!

twisting anothers point of view is never a good luck.

Let's get back to seeing all passes go backwards. Not level, not flat, not flat with momentum....backwards and backwards only. Until this happens, every game in the league is going to be marred by such decisions week in week out.

But isn't that what you implied,and if they're tougher to rule on lets ban all short passing within our game or legalise forward passes,that way the referee would never have to make a judgement call regarding them.

Surely the course of longer passes are more susceptible to being moved by wind, thus making them harder to judge too?

Come off it, whether it's 1 metre or 10 metres a forward pass is a forward pass. Flat, short passes are more likely to get pulled up I find because most of the time players are running at a slow pace - the runner is the one with the speed/impact.

No I didn't imply that. I told it how it is. You are just talking nonsensical rubbish. ban all short passes indeed?

The short flat ball has been a part of our game for over 100 years. Cas get one 60/50 call go against them and you lot want the rules changing. You would think the Leeds pass was a me forward? It was debatable at best.