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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"because their clubs allowed them to.'"
In the end remember Marwan Koukash demanding a world record fee for Farges to deter Saints didn't work.
Like I've said that will be the outcome of this also a lot of talk a lot of posturing and in the end he signs for Sale.
Cas need to get the best deal they can but if they dig in to much Sale will let it run and if a court rules against them (unlikely) they will move on and Cas end up with a very unhappy player and we've all seen where that ends
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| Opps double post that's what happens when you multi task
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| Quote bezzerscr="bezzerscr"Sale sharks argument will be he retired from RL and chose to play another sport and there is no agreement between league and union to honour each others bans.
Remember all those union converts from when union was amateur all were given bans by the RFU and we ignored them so apart from banning from league can't see anything other than Cas accepting an undisclosed fee.'"
Sale cant just ignore contract and employment law. He has a fixed period contract and cannot work for another employer outside that contract period with his employers consent. Most people have an open ended contract of employment but with a notice period one month three months 12 months etc. You cna give notice but you cant just walk out and start working without honouring those terms. Many contract also have covenants which cant dictate who you work for but that you cant take business or clients with you. A sporting contract is for a fixed period and any court would enforce that regardless of the industry involved. The only way around it is to compensate the exisiting employer or pay up the value of the constract
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| Quote rhino phil="rhino phil"Sale cant just ignore contract and employment law. He has a fixed period contract and cannot work for another employer outside that contract period with his employers consent. Most people have an open ended contract of employment but with a notice period one month three months 12 months etc. You cna give notice but you cant just walk out and start working without honouring those terms. Many contract also have covenants which cant dictate who you work for but that you cant take business or clients with you. A sporting contract is for a fixed period and any court would enforce that regardless of the industry involved. The only way around it is to compensate the exisiting employer or pay up the value of the constract'"
In a nutshell that's what I've been saying like Leeds did with Moon encouraged him to go to a tribunal failed he claimed homesickness said he wouldn't come back Salford forced into accepting a UNDISCLOSED fee same with Farges and the same will happen here. Wrong I accept but that's how it goes.
As I said earlier can't see a judge stopping him from accepting a better contract but can see one accepting a ban from rugby league only
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| Quote rhino phil="rhino phil"Sale cant just ignore contract and employment law. He has a fixed period contract and cannot work for another employer outside that contract period with his employers consent. Most people have an open ended contract of employment but with a notice period one month three months 12 months etc. You cna give notice but you cant just walk out and start working without honouring those terms. Many contract also have covenants which cant dictate who you work for but that you cant take business or clients with you. A sporting contract is for a fixed period and any court would enforce that regardless of the industry involved. The only way around it is to compensate the exisiting employer or pay up the value of the constract'"
If he has "retired" as reported then there's very little Cas will be able to do other than chase him for a couple of months worth of salary which would cover the time he should be at the club running his notice down. Sale have been somewhat immoral but it doesn't appear to be illegal what they've done and nothing worse than what RL has done to RU in the past.
Cas may be posturing now saying that they don't agree with it, but faced with the prospect of an expensive court case they likely gain very little from, they'll cut their losses and agree to his release just as other clubs have done before
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| Cas can't sue Sale for breach of contract as Sale do not have a contract with Cas.
What Cas should be doing is suing Denny and seeking an injunction preventing him from playing for anyone else. Drag it out and get some cash from Sale. There is no point in forcing Denny back to Cas.
I hope I never see him on a rugby league pitch again and I hope he gets found out in Union.
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| Quote Slugger McBatt="Slugger McBatt"Cas can't sue Sale for breach of contract as Sale do not have a contract with Cas.
What Cas should be doing is suing Denny and seeking an injunction preventing him from playing for anyone else. Drag it out and get some cash from Sale. There is no point in forcing Denny back to Cas.
I hope I never see him on a rugby league pitch again and I hope he gets found out in Union.'"
He should definitely get some kind of ban from the RFL that's for sure. If he doesn't don't think league clubs will be rushing to sign him if he flops in union.
He shouldn't be allowed to walk straight back into rugby league. The RFL have to show some kind of leadership here.
If this was an NRL player he would be slapped with a ban.
Also why are some people saying this is no different to when league clubs signed union players?
Union players were amateurs the time. Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't that mean they had no working contracts with there union clubs.
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| Quote Slugger McBatt="Slugger McBatt"Cas can't sue Sale for breach of contract as Sale do not have a contract with Cas.
What Cas should be doing is suing Denny and seeking an injunction preventing him from playing for anyone else. Drag it out and get some cash from Sale. There is no point in forcing Denny back to Cas.
I hope I never see him on a rugby league pitch again and I hope he gets found out in Union.'"
I imagine they'll be able to retain his RL registration for the remainder of his contract with Cas which will stop him moving back to League without Cas getting some money, but as you say, RL and RU have no agreement, and Cas have no contract with Sale over Solomona so they can't chase them. They can go after Solomona but really all they will be able to get is a couple of months worth of salary back (assuming they're still paying him). The only question I'd have is regarding his Visa, how would renaging on his contract affect his right to work in the UK?
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| Quote kobashi="kobashi"He should definitely get some kind of ban from the RFL that's for sure. If he doesn't don't think league clubs will be rushing to sign him if he flops in union
He shouldn't be allowed to walk straight back into rugby league. The RFL have to show some kind of leadership here.
If this was an NRL player he would be slapped with a ban.
Also why are some people saying this is no different to when league clubs signed union players?
Union players were amateurs the time. Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't that mean they had no working contracts with there union clubs.'" correct but nearly everyone of them had a paid job and I know one who's employer outside of Rugby union but a Union club sponsor threatened him with "you will never work in that industry again"
Ask yourself why so many chose to appeared as A N Other before taking the plunge it was because those none paying union people could make life extremely difficult for anyone even having a trial
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| Quote bentleberry="bentleberry"I imagine they'll be able to retain his RL registration for the remainder of his contract with Cas which will stop him moving back to League without Cas getting some money, but as you say, RL and RU have no agreement, and Cas have no contract with Sale over Solomona so they can't chase them. They can go after Solomona but really all they will be able to get is a couple of months worth of salary back (assuming they're still paying him). The only question I'd have is regarding his Visa, how would renaging on his contract affect his right to work in the UK?'"
What about sale tapping Solomona up while under contract. Meaning sale are guilty. Both as bad as each other.
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| Quote bezzerscr="bezzerscr"correct but nearly everyone of them had a paid job and I know one who's employer outside of Rugby union but a Union club sponsor threatened him with "you will never work in that industry again"
Ask yourself why so many chose to appeared as A N Other before taking the plunge it was because those none paying union people could make life extremely difficult for anyone even having a trial'"
They were anonymous mainly because if they even trained with an amateur RL club they would have been 'professionalised' and banned for life from rugby union. This was the case until the RL MPs pointed it out in the 90s
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| I would hope that for the good of the sport of RL Cas & the RFL join forces to legally challenge this move by Sale & Denny, financially & technically, using everything at their disposal.
I find it hard to believe that with the alleged evidence previously mentioned that there hasn't been some interference/incitement/tapping up by Sale & if the connection can be made by mere onlookers/fans then highly paid lawyers should be able to prove without doubt a breach of contract by Denny &/or some sort of charge against Sale.
I hope there isn't a law against overuse of slash/marks ?
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