If we want to get picky it is actually 10.5K not 10K!! But whats another 500 empty seats between friends? 15.5K was from Wiki.

Making a 10.5K stadium look half empty is even worse than the same for a 15.5K stadium.

Any way as per my original post it was a long way off the 10K that one of your other pals was spouting on about!

Read my post again and then I'll gracefully accept your apology (if you need a tip look for the word overall)

1122 and the league awaits your apology

I do accept that i misread your post and indeed it said Overall

However, why would OVERALL attendances make any difference as to any of the teams battling for a franchise.

Why should it be of any issue to cas if at an away game the home team can only bring say 1000 to the game and the remainder of the 1500 be from the away team (example not actual numbers)

If Crusaders are unable to market a game so as to only bring a handful of supporters why would this show badly on cas.

The only thing cas can have any control over is how many fans come to their game at the Jungle. They should not be told that there attendances are only average because of poor home support from the teams they visit.

What your argument says is that basically we look great and are getting better not because of our own support but because other teams have good home support and make us look better. Where is the sense in that.

Further to this i again cant agree the avearge number you have come up with. From Sporting life the average attendance accross all games involving cas is 7,265 where as the corresponding value for Crusaders is 6,097 - is a difference of 1,168.

Once again dont let numerical evidence cloud an argument

Quote: Hatfield tiger "I do accept that i misread your post and indeed it said Overall However, why would OVERALL attendances make any difference as to any of the teams battling for a franchise. Why should it be of any issue to cas if at an away game the home team can only bring say 1000 to the game and the remainder of the 1500 be from the away team (example not actual numbers) If Crusaders are unable to market a game so as to only bring a handful of supporters why would this show badly on cas. The only thing cas can have any control over is how many fans come to their game at the Jungle. They should not be told that there attendances are only average because of poor home support from the teams they visit. What your argument says is that basically we look great and are getting better not because of our own support but because other teams have good home support and make us look better. Where is the sense in that. Further to this i again cant agree the avearge number you have come up with. From Sporting life the average attendance accross all games involving cas is 7,265 where as the corresponding value for Crusaders is 6,097 - is a difference of 1,168. Once again dont let numerical evidence cloud an argument'" www.slstats.org/ Straight forward comparison of like for like, takes all the home game arguments out given that we didn't play Quins or Cas at Wrexham they were on the road games at Neath and you cannot legislate for away fans. Given you have the two derby games against Wakey in your figures and any other rivalries which we've yet to build it doesn't exactly show your attendances miles ahead does it?

Quote: Hatfield tiger "I do accept that i misread your post and indeed it said Overall However, why would OVERALL attendances make any difference as to any of the teams battling for a franchise. Why should it be of any issue to cas if at an away game the home team can only bring say 1000 to the game and the remainder of the 1500 be from the away team (example not actual numbers) If Crusaders are unable to market a game so as to only bring a handful of supporters why would this show badly on cas. The only thing cas can have any control over is how many fans come to their game at the Jungle. They should not be told that there attendances are only average because of poor home support from the teams they visit. What your argument says is that basically we look great and are getting better not because of our own support but because other teams have good home support and make us look better. Where is the sense in that. Further to this i again cant agree the avearge number you have come up with. From Sporting life the average attendance accross all games involving cas is 7,265 where as the corresponding value for Crusaders is 6,097 - is a difference of 1,168. Once again dont let numerical evidence cloud an argument'" www.slstats.org/ Straight forward comparison of like for like, takes all the home game arguments out given that we didn't play Quins or Cas at Wrexham they were on the road games at Neath and you cannot legislate for away fans. Given you have the two derby games against Wakey in your figures and any other rivalries which we've yet to build it doesn't exactly show your attendances miles ahead does it?

How on earth can you exclude certain games such as those arranged in Neath. That was your clubs choice to play those games and as a result your clubs resposibility to arrange marketing to attract the fans into the ground. It was a home fixture and therefore counts on the average number for attendances

The only way to get a fair comparasion is to base the average simply on all home fixtures divided by the number of games. Excluding games simply distorts figures and does not give by any means a fair comparsion.

Should we remove all the attendances against Wakefield, leeds, Bradford? In which case shall we remove close games such as Warrington, St helens etc.

Remember lies, dam lies and stats

Further more those numbers dont actually work the total divided by the number of games played does not give the average.

Given this i can only assume there is an element of Edinburgh in there which could be distored which ever way you wish.

either that or i am missing something.

I haven't discounted Neath I've simply used the RL fans statistics for all games involving Crusaders nothing more nothing less.

Remember our average is distorted by the fact the Warrington v Cas attendance is out by approximately 3,000.

Yes but still spreading the word.

Thanks for the info. (without the vitriol of troll bambi not a feller) so that would push it up by a hundred or so?

My only problem with the crusaders is that when they were in south wales there were truely an expansion team.

Now i think they are sort of for me but i still think a very worth while venture.

A town of near 80,000 the same as Wakefield.
A town looking to become a city thus needing to raise its profile.
An RL foothold is needed south of Manchester/And in Wales.
and for gods sake give them chance to get support and expand the game.

The ventures into Neath were a token gesture and never ever looked at as being a success, rightly or wronly thats how it is.

I would give them another 3 years to prove growth and become sustainable on there own.


Or we can keep bad mouthing them and showing ourselfs up because we have had how long to build a stadium and build on our fan base, Prove me wrong Cas and build the stadium because all we have so far is a dream and some drawings and the word of Richard Honest Wright ( The man who doesnt even respond to emails sent to him by season ticket holders)