We didnt lose because of the Ref, but no way I would have given the knock on try. I would also not have given Hoods, but we didnt lose because of them and they didnt break the game for us.

Even the most biased whino cant see the first two tries as nothing more than an embarrassment, short of the line and a blatant knock on. Silverwood ruined any chances Cas might have had with those two decisions. Looks like the league has already been decided at Red Hall

It's not that. It's the fact you blame the ref everytime Leeds win.

Have they got a specsavers in Cas ? Stop playing the "victims" again, when you get a decent side you might compete against the likes of Leeds. As for calling us Whinos...........do you go to primary school? Maybe if your fans supported your team a bit more rather than chanting how much you "hate Rhinos" or "hating the Leeds scum" your team might achieve a bit more. I thought recent events at cas might have brought a sense of perspective to the idiots that choose to chant rubbish at games but maybe I was expecting too much.

the reason why we moan every time we play leeds, is that every time we play leeds we get robbed, simple as. Robbed robbed robbed, you sure hetherington doesn't pay silverwood when cas play leeds, remember last year? Two "forward" passes given when they obviously weren't. If we had palyed you with a fair ref, we could've won.

And that is why you're the most disliked team in the game. What the hell does chanting negative stuff about Leeds got to do with us achieving anything on the field? It aint just Cas fans that dislike you, it's everyone.

Small town, small mind mentality. That's the problem. Most definitely not the fact that you are getting beat by a team that are current SL champions and have been 5 times in 8 seasons, plus current World champions. It's got nothing to do with that? Just the refs and the governing body are involved in a conspiracy.

You genuinely should seek a mental health worker.

We are the most disliked because we are the most successful team in the sallary cap era. With jealousy comes hate! Same reason most fans bag Tomkin.

Personally, i've said nothing along the lines of you winning because of the ref. Halls try in my opinion wasn't a try. But ultimately it was our fault for the pathetic defending after he collected the ball. You're a damn good side and have the best back line in the game. A lot of Cas fans feel hard done by last night, because it was never a 22 point game, and ultimately 1 or 2 decisions going against you can be vital. LeedsOwl is chatting total e. Wigan are the most successful side in RL History, i dislike them because of their cheating to avoid the drop, you lot accuse us of being bad losers, but you're by far the classless winners in the game, hence why the majority want you to fail more then the wigans, wires, St's etc. Not that it really matters, just saying.

I'm not too fussed if people hate us or not! Leeds are a very popular team over here where they appreciate our achievements.

I think you will find Leeds are the most successful team in the salary cap era! Not Wigan who compared to Leeds, Saints and Bradford have failed miserably since the cap was brought in. Wigan bought their success pre salary cap.

Given St Helens have won 1 Super League Champions (SL1) and 4 Grand Finals (5 runners up, 1 Stones Premiership runners-up), 7 Challenge Cups (1 runners up), 2 World Club Challenge victories (2 runners-up apps) whereas Leeds have won 5 Grand Finals (2 runners up) and 1 Challenge Cup (5 runners up) and 3 World Club Challenge victories (2 runners-up apps), I'd say that Saints are the most successful side in the 'salary cap era'.


Saints have won 14 major trophies/titles since 1996 whereas Leeds have won 9. Saints have been runners-up 9 times, Leeds 9 times.

14 beats 9, 9 is a draw against 9 and 23 beats 18. Game, set, match St Helens.

(and just for the record I never said Wigan were the most successful side in SL era, just in RL era!)

Don't worry. He'll change tack now and say that he actually only meant the SL competition, even though the salary cap applies across all competitions.

Ah selective arguing there. Leeds are the only team to win SL Back to back titles, they are the only team ever to win SL 3 times in a row. Leeds are the only team to win the GF and WCC in the same season. Leeds are the only team to win 5 GF's.

Leeds may not have as many CC's as saints but have more WCC's, plus they hold 4 unpresidented records in the game.

Probably so. I don't wana derail too much. Overall, I thought a couple of big decisions harshly went against us. But Leeds were ruthless, clinical and Hall, BJB & Watkins were very good, but we also made them look good with McGoldrick & Griffin particularly poor in defence. But there's reason to be optimistic, we were competitive, leeds knew they'd been in a game. We need to look onwards and (hopefully) upwards. Millington impressed, ferres is getting better. Would like to see Walker added to the side for London too.