I heard nothing and if it hadn't been for the Cas' fans there'd have been no crowd and no atmosphere.

Why didn't Mr Negativity, instead of moaning, choose to praise the magnificent travelling Cas' support on a day when the M62 was like Ice Station Zebra ?

Andy Wilson is a member of rl fans as his post on here a week or so ago asking us to read his bile online. I wonder why he isnt defending his hatred of Cas on here ..................

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I have no view on if this particular bloke is right or not, but I expect to get abuse for this post – but it is a free country:

I actually do have a problem taking my wee boy to our games and particularly at away games where there is no getting away from the particular brand of chanting in question. I have never been to an away event where we have not chanted something incorporating F-Bombs and B-stards at least - ever in a lot of years. Now, I do swear, that is a fact, but I do moderate my language for the lowest common denominator around me. Now an outburst of a person in the heat of the moment is different to a significant group of people chanting - we all have the odd outburst.

Oddly recently I attended a couple of football matches and although the noise was greater and the atmosphere more hostile, there was not the systematic swear chants, the language was moderated, but it didn’t detract from the spectacle. There was liberal use of the word scum, which though unpleasant isn’t the worst. I actually feel like we are about 5 years behind the curve on the trend of behaviour change. It is not a tennis match of insulting chanting and abuse particularly anymore, it is a sporting event for families. Hence "you don't know what you're doing" for bad ref calls replaced our fans favourite of "w@nk3r, "w@nk3r, "w@nk3r, "w@nk3r, "w@nk3r, w@nk3r, " or on other sports the old questioning the parentage of the one in the black chant.

I actually think that we have a reputation that we have earned, our support though vociferous, and I am a working class man from a working class family and I appreciate that people swear, I actually DO think that in order to change how people treat and view you, you have to start with yourself and thinking about ALL the people who can hear what is being shouted before you shout it should give you a clue as to if it is appropriate or not?
It is too easy to say that the idea of support is just that, not to deride, insult and generally degrade. Only my opinion of course, but if we are going to change, evolve and develop, maybe we all have to consider that?

If we are going to be honest then I think that it's only fair that we recognise that offensive and lewd chanting goes on at every rugby ground. Cas do appear to be bearing the brunt of some sort of moral crusade at the moment, but it this does not detract from the fact that it is happening and we either change what is sung or accept the criticism. It is worth noting also, I think, that these sort of offensive chants are something most people have done, but grow out of. I would much rather hear songs in support of my team than go on about the opposition or the referee (would you change your mind and give someone the benefit of the doubt if they were abusing you!?!?). At the moment a certain section of cas fans do seem to be undermining the reputation we have amongst fans of other teams.

I agree with you and your view seems balanced one of course, but I think there are a couple of things that are definitely worth noting in general.

1: To change anything and especially opinion, you have got to start with yourself. So the supposition that others do it is relevant, but in order to make things better and to make a serious change - start with yourself and take care of your own business, that’s all you can do.

2: I thought about the grow out of it thing and almost typed that myself. But I think perhaps we are similar ages and it just seems that way - If you are between 28 and 40, then it could seem that we grew out of these chants, but actually I think as well as that happening, society changed as well, so it is no longer acceptable in society and we have to catch up, I think if you are of a certain age it felt like we were growing up, but society did while that was happening.

We would not be bearing any brunt, if it didn’t happen? I remember those around me at the football when I was a kid making monkey noises at John Barnes, even though there were black people in my own team? Didn't make it right and abusive chanting and swearing is no more acceptable in public like that than racism. I didn't do it then, none of the people I went with did and I wouldn’t do it now.

as a hull kr fan ive never encountered any bother with cas fans home or away in 20 odd years there does seem to be a bit of a witch hunt latley

Agree entirely with just about every word, society has changed while we have been growing up. I genuinely cannot see a scenario where people will reprimand each other, there are too many people who think the answer is to prove their manhood and get into a penis measuring competition.

Only my view that the only way to make a lasting chnage to improve matters for everyone is with yourself.

"fun time frankie" that is great news, I am not particularly talking about bother because thankfully I dont think it is a big issue in our sport - but offensive chanting is, whether we like it or not for a lot of clubs - Including our own and given we did have a judgement against us for past misdemeanors, we are going to be looked at more closely.

I am more shocked that a balanced adult discussion has broken out - it wont last.

Ha ha! It does feel strange doesn't it?

I agree with everything you've said mdean, and you too Bren! (no kiss this time though!)

A group of lads were chanting things along these lines at our friendly a few weeks back. As your team were walking back after scoring they were chanting something like "Gay in the team, we have a gay in our team..." Some of the players heard this and looked up at them, they didn't seem very impressed. There's always some spoiling it for the rest, I found everyone else to be spot on.

Same here steady, bad language is unfortunately rife in all sport these days, but as with the incident that was blown out of all proportion when we played Crusaders, we will get slated more than others because we are an easy target.

I really do wish we could sing something positive at games and cut out the bad language, it's not good when we are trying to attract families to the sport, but having said all that, Cas should definitely not be singled out as there are far worse offenders, but the best way forward is just don't use foul and abusive language and give those with nothing better to do, the ammunition to castigate us once again.

Will be interesting to see if Mr Wilson reports about the language of the rhino fans in a game that is being broadcast in oz. You can clearly hear Leeds fan commenting on Jamie Lyons self gratifacation habits!!

It's a pity that people on here have taken the approach they have towards Andy Wilson and his comments. He heard what he heard and he commented upon it. He would say the same thing about any group of fans no matter which club they supported, assuming he heard them first of course. And it wasn't as if he was saying all Cas fans were like that; just a group of them. Every club has them. He just happened to hear your lot and was bothered by it. He isn't alone in being bothered by the element within each club who choose to be abusive. I don't like the element within my own fanbase who are like that and I would hope that if Andy Wilson, or any other journalist, heard any Saints fans being abusive he would embarrass them by naming and shaming them in his articles.

I'm not a Guardian reader but the Guardian is now the only broadsheet to employ an RL correspondent. In other words, those who read the broadsheets are rarely, if ever, exposed to our game. Often, though not always, people who read the broadsheets are also people who have money and connections, and our sport needs money and connections.

Instead of abusing Andy Wilson (who is a very good journalist actually), why don't you read his weekly blog and maybe join in some discussion there - not abusive or silly stuff but good stuff about rugby league - and support the one remaining dedicated broadsheet RL correspondent still in existence, before we lose him as well?

He isn't, he's a hack.

And it isn't the first time he's gone out of his way to say things about this about the Cas fans, he makes sure to mention it and does NOT mention it for any other team, if he did he would do it every week for every team.

He's a penis and first class, wont it be sad when they get shut