Difficult one for me in a way as i wasn't in attendance at Salford on Saturday so didnt hear any chants first hand, however several friends were in attendance and aside usual banter and a couple of songs incoporating bad language (not to condone) however not out of the ordinary in all grounds on a weekly basis they saw no bad behaviour to justify us to be singled out.

Andy Wilson's comment -
"Although a small minority of the Castleford fans continue to let down the club with their unnecessarily offensive chanting. They really dont seem a very pleasant bunch"

Why does he feel a need to single out Castleford for press coverage ???

Why does he not comment on Salford stewards inability to control the crowd, after all this occured in there ground and is there responsibilty ?

Surely as this is something present at all grounds on a weekly basis he would be better served doing a piece on the RFL's Respect policy and how clubs are supporting/failing it.

Does this go back to previous problems with Garreth Thomas and certain things stick ?

Although not in question here racist chanting in football is on the agenda.
We know racist and homophobic chanting is not acceptable and has legal implications.
I do however remember feeling at the time the Leeds fans singing a certain song to James Graham was not very tastefull/hurtfull also !

I think this singling out is a little unfair to say the least and would like him to explain his comments, so i will ask him !

Does anyone have any comment or enlighten me any more before i do ?

The best way would have been to ignore him, all you are doing is giving that baffoon reaction, which will get others looking and by virtue showing he might have some people actually reading his e,

The man has no credibility or understanding of the game and rides on the back of these forums, It wont be long before he is got rid of at the guardian and about time too for a second rate at best so called reporter

What is he claiming was chanted? I don't remember hearing anything on the Sky coverage.

Isn't this the guy who took a major pop at us for 'spoiling' the occasion of Saints last league game at KR? If so there is a trend forming of mountains being made out of molehills where we are concerned and his journalistic perspective/objectivity is dubious to say the least.

Andy Wilson has just claimed on the phone to be a cas fan , i quote ''cas are my second team'' . He also went on to say he never takes pot shots at us in his column. All this has come around because i emailed the guardian and asked them why they employed such a biased lying clown as a sports reporter. God bless the internet.
I bet he has some beauties lined up for us now

Andy Wilson is quite probably one of the worst RL journalists in the business.

I'm not sure what he's heard, but the only chant I can think of is "Salford's a hole, I wanna go home". Which most opposition fans will probably sing at salford this season and which most opposition fans (quite probably salford included will sing at Cas)

Seems a little churlish to report it then, given that on several Sky broadcasts last season, crowds from various clubs could be clearly heard singing jolly ditties about the referee's nocturnal habits and songs suggesting that James Graham was a) overweight b) a ginge and c) born out of wedlock. I also recall RL's new poster boy making an obscene gesture to the crowd during one of the sport's most important showcase matches.

Double standards?

Unfortunatly we have a bad name now due to mr thomas.
Mud sticks.

Not to do with Gareth Thomas but the idiots who had a pop at him for his sexuality.

I heard nothing and if it hadn't been for the Cas' fans there'd have been no crowd and no atmosphere.

Why didn't Mr Negativity, instead of moaning, choose to praise the magnificent travelling Cas' support on a day when the M62 was like Ice Station Zebra ?

Andy Wilson is a member of rl fans as his post on here a week or so ago asking us to read his bile online. I wonder why he isnt defending his hatred of Cas on here ..................

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I have no view on if this particular bloke is right or not, but I expect to get abuse for this post – but it is a free country:

I actually do have a problem taking my wee boy to our games and particularly at away games where there is no getting away from the particular brand of chanting in question. I have never been to an away event where we have not chanted something incorporating F-Bombs and B-stards at least - ever in a lot of years. Now, I do swear, that is a fact, but I do moderate my language for the lowest common denominator around me. Now an outburst of a person in the heat of the moment is different to a significant group of people chanting - we all have the odd outburst.

Oddly recently I attended a couple of football matches and although the noise was greater and the atmosphere more hostile, there was not the systematic swear chants, the language was moderated, but it didn’t detract from the spectacle. There was liberal use of the word scum, which though unpleasant isn’t the worst. I actually feel like we are about 5 years behind the curve on the trend of behaviour change. It is not a tennis match of insulting chanting and abuse particularly anymore, it is a sporting event for families. Hence "you don't know what you're doing" for bad ref calls replaced our fans favourite of "w@nk3r, "w@nk3r, "w@nk3r, "w@nk3r, "w@nk3r, w@nk3r, " or on other sports the old questioning the parentage of the one in the black chant.

I actually think that we have a reputation that we have earned, our support though vociferous, and I am a working class man from a working class family and I appreciate that people swear, I actually DO think that in order to change how people treat and view you, you have to start with yourself and thinking about ALL the people who can hear what is being shouted before you shout it should give you a clue as to if it is appropriate or not?
It is too easy to say that the idea of support is just that, not to deride, insult and generally degrade. Only my opinion of course, but if we are going to change, evolve and develop, maybe we all have to consider that?

If we are going to be honest then I think that it's only fair that we recognise that offensive and lewd chanting goes on at every rugby ground. Cas do appear to be bearing the brunt of some sort of moral crusade at the moment, but it this does not detract from the fact that it is happening and we either change what is sung or accept the criticism. It is worth noting also, I think, that these sort of offensive chants are something most people have done, but grow out of. I would much rather hear songs in support of my team than go on about the opposition or the referee (would you change your mind and give someone the benefit of the doubt if they were abusing you!?!?). At the moment a certain section of cas fans do seem to be undermining the reputation we have amongst fans of other teams.

I agree with you and your view seems balanced one of course, but I think there are a couple of things that are definitely worth noting in general.

1: To change anything and especially opinion, you have got to start with yourself. So the supposition that others do it is relevant, but in order to make things better and to make a serious change - start with yourself and take care of your own business, that’s all you can do.

2: I thought about the grow out of it thing and almost typed that myself. But I think perhaps we are similar ages and it just seems that way - If you are between 28 and 40, then it could seem that we grew out of these chants, but actually I think as well as that happening, society changed as well, so it is no longer acceptable in society and we have to catch up, I think if you are of a certain age it felt like we were growing up, but society did while that was happening.

We would not be bearing any brunt, if it didn’t happen? I remember those around me at the football when I was a kid making monkey noises at John Barnes, even though there were black people in my own team? Didn't make it right and abusive chanting and swearing is no more acceptable in public like that than racism. I didn't do it then, none of the people I went with did and I wouldn’t do it now.