MDean - I respect what you are saying. But what does long term mean.....are we talking 5, 10 or 25 years? So many times we've heard the club talk about building for the future, setting the foundations for the future, bringing back the good times. IMO Cas have since SL started and perhaps beyond...simply existed, survived, and not progressed! Amongst this existence we've had brief highs, yet continued lows! The question everyone is asking, is where does it end? When do we actually start to see genuine progression, rather than temporary blips prior to the inevitable slump?

After the big year end clear out, we had better be seeing some good player acquisitions from Millward. I'm not saying mega bucks big names, I'm saying spending money wisely. If not then the fans will again prepare for the reality of further existence without progression and Millward will have even fewer corners to hide, because from the results that we've had so far this year Coco the Clown could have got us the same results.

Such a mix of arguments, I agree with some and disagree with others, the 80 minutes is important, but not actually key - London have stunk for years, ecomonically, playing wise, league position wise and franchise wise, so the 80 minutes is far from the be all and end all.

Millward has got medals in his cupboard that none of our previous coaches have as a day to day coach and as a Head Coach, they are distincly different jobs.

Secondly, again the "young talent draining......" the evidence simply just does not bear that out. It simply does not. Out UK elligible, Academy developed profile stands up against anyone elses and better than most - You can't keep everyone, Eden went and had a purple patch, but I don't see him in the headlines in the last 8 weeks. Arundel will go and for his contribution this season, wont be missed. In potential terms later will we regret it - maybe but we don't have space for slow burners in a skinny squad. there isn't a constant talent drain.

There is disruption at the moment, mostly between the players ears; there is a huge opportunity here to act in haste and repent at leisure - the franchise system is supposed to support long term strategy and planning, to get a wobble on now would seem to me counter productive.
Off the field there are opportunities to improve without a doubt, they need to be explored and exploited and make some things happen for sure - but the idea that we have to act in haste to save everything now and we're all doomed - is usally the path to being able to repent at leusire. Occasionally it works, extremely rarely.

Sacking Basil would be like endorsing a mutiny right now, you may as well let the players run, coach, manage themselves. I would urge someone to approach the club to do an end of season piece in the program or the P and C "a week on the inside" just go and see for yourself the planning, patterns, training plans, player management, individual tip sheets, match prep and plans for individual opponents and then tell me that we sack Basil and need a Kear or a Potter.... I think a few people's conclusions would change and with respect most people who know better on here have only at best (like me) been a Saturday afternoon hobby man, I have coached teenagers and I was like Wayne Bennet on paper with my plans and patterns - trouble was the 13 idiots in matching shirts didn't do as I told them....

I actually think it will be a five year plan and a key element of that is a stadium move. Before any real seachange in state, strategy and overall long term league position will be five years. You may get a reaction between times, but Warrington changed their fortunes over that kind of time. Admittedly, off the field things have to flourish too for that to happen.

Basil I think is doing his part and will do so, just like Royce Simmons was trying to and AVB was trying to for the sake of comparison. Time will tell but I believe in good management and continuity and to balance out the two examples above, if you look at Fergie at the Scum and Moyes at Everton evidence of short term pain for long term development of change can be rewarding. I look at the bin dippers with Rafa, Roy, Kenny and change again - when you get into a cycle of instant gratification like that, unless you have pockets as deep as Chelsea's you are on a hiding to nothing.

If you believe in good management then you shouldn't be in favour of Millward being anywhere near the club.

Look at the Wigan players opinions of him, what Long wrote about when Millward was his coach, look at how he handled Mathers...the man is an utter joke and has the man management skills of a dictator.

Good coaches respect the players and the players respect them, looking with how Millward handles things and players opinions on him - neither of that is true with him.

I think we will have to agree to disagree to be honest - respect is mutually earned and given and without getting in to specifics and being in around the squad and the preperations - you are only ever hearing a partisan view.

Perhaps I ask myself if I am Longy; how could I could have been if I had managed myself, looked after myself and been better managed and better disciplined? Or how much longer my career might have been?? Not saying it is a fact, just offering a balance argument?
Similarly, Richie has had more clubs than Jack Nicklaus - again, I have no axe to grind but reading some of his Tweets "Dicko made to play" and the Dicko tweets he wasn't. Then "Why does everybody want out" when subsequently actually it plays out slightly differently - perhaps how he was handled is a reflection of how discreetly and respectfully he handles certain situations?

Actually enjoying a discussion and disagreement for a chnage without petty name calling and daft trolling - thanks all!

I like what you say m dean and mutual respect always has to be remembered. We all have an opinion but this post topic about making potter an offer is meant I know but it also gets me thinking about Bradfords plight so maybe we are not in such a bad position after all. We have to move forward with what we have for now I think.

Why would you want to take the opinions of the Wigan players as true facts about Millward, do you not think that they had already made their minds up that they didn't want him because of his no nonsense approach. Before you say this is rubbish let me remind you of a certain football manager who was at Leeds United for 44 days because the players didn't like him, you certainly couldn't say that Brian Clough was a bad manager as he has legendary status.

No nonsense? Read Long's book...if that's no nonsense then bloody hell!

He's a vastly over-rated, pig headed coach with a Napoleon complex, there's a number of players that have turned down offers from Cas based on him being coach, that's how well regarded he is (and one of them is one of the most professional players you'll ever come across).



Clough was good, Millward is not...massive difference.

My mind is not so made up that he is not good - not as good as Clough, for sure - again, I am similarly not sure about how much Sean Long has himself to blame for his own shortcomings and as one of my anti-hero's says:

Never let the truth get in the way of a good yarn...... Especially of you have a book to sell.

The "truth" as it were is always the truth according to...... depending on your angle, perspective and emotional investment- I am sure the majority of the people I have sacked or made redundant or turned down for jobs think I am an arrogant egotist who got them all wrong.

I have first hand experience of millward and his bullying tactics, if he picks you out then your playing days are over at that club.All these things players say about him ( and its a long list) are true and also do people think so many players can be wrong

Wouldn't that be a serious backward step for Mick Potter's career?

You'd have thought he'll be looking for a higher profile appointment, Hemel Hempstead for example="

Get Millward out, get Potter in!'"