Just a sad reflection of where this club is at. We're effectively a championship feeder side trying to survive in super league and if the top sides want our players then there's not much we can do about it.

Instead it seems we have to be content to take them back on vastly increased wages once the top sides no longer want them. Joe Arundel is a very old centre and was one of the key performers in our side last season. It would have been great to keep hold of him but we just don't have the finances to do that.

If the two signings are Shenton and Webster then that is very little to get excited about IMO.

After 15 consequtive years of buying a season ticket I'm going to struggle to put my hand in my pocket again next year and won't do until there are changes at the top. The only thing that could see me changing my mind would be some extremely positive news from the club about the stadium and the clubs future. All we've had this year is bad news after bad news and I just need to know that there's light at the end of the tunnel. I, like probably most of us here followed the club through two relegations but back then there was at least hope for the future. I think that's all we need really and if there isn't realistic hope then we should be told and we could at least prepare ourselves for life in the championship.

For the record I also think Wakefield youth set up is as good as anyone in the comp as is ours, its a shame that's where it ends and after that our clubs start to fail. But I won't open that can up

Ellis and Westwood may be "Quality", Hudson never was....

Hmm, I think in terms of talent he was up there but obviously personal issues have delivered a hammer blow to his career.

To be fair, as someone has said both clubs have got great academy setups and to be honest we can't really do much about the fact that they get cherrypicked constantly, except by becoming big clubs ourselves. Hopefully we are addressing this with our new stadium projects.