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| Quote Rotherham Fev Fan="Rotherham Fev Fan"Civil action may be coming Rangi's way!'"
Pathetic, if it does the game is finished!
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| Very much doubt there is scope for civil action - these kinds of things have been tested in court before and tried and they tend not to work - I hope someone can call me a stupid anme and cite an example or two - that'd be really helpful - I said "tend not". If Civil action was practical, then Chev Walker 2 years ago would have sued the 2 tacklers when his leg broke, even though it wasn't intentional for the outcome. Same for Richie Owen and so on - Civil action is based on recovery and being responsible, not so much fault and justice - so I think thats a hot headed rumour.
Secondly, incredibly lucky to be categorised Grade C in my opinion, but thats the point and you can see it clearly on here- Opinions differ between thinking it was play on, to actually sending Chase to the Haigh for crimes against humanity. Personally 4/5 games feels about right.
It was a bad challenge, one can argue all day if it was deliberate, but the only person who knows is Rangi. Officials were close, very close and Mr Thaler is not one to leave his cards in the dressing room - so if there was a sniff, he would have acted. The Touchy didn't even give a penner - so polarised opinions abound, but it is not a hanging offense and it may not have been deliberate.
All that said, if Finn had followed through on Danny Orr like that, I would equally be suggesting he was deported.
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| Why is it Big Man. Accidents happen. I have opinions on the Chase/ropati incident but I don't sit on RFL disciplinary and I don't precide over civil actions so I will let guilt be decided by those people.
Regardless of club allegiances, are you saying being assaulted on a rugby field somehow exempts you from justice??
There are plenty of incidents in the amature game where the police have investigated allegations of assaults - and prosecuted!
It happens regularly at rugby union too and the game doesn't appear to be affected.
Step back from your defence of Rangi and allegiance to your club for a mo and try as hard as it might be to be objective - Is it right that a player can assault another and go seemingly unpunished whilst the assaulted player is put out of the game??
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| Quote mdean="mdean"Very much doubt there is scope for civil action - these kinds of things have been tested in court before and tried and they tend not to work - I hope someone can call me a stupid anme and cite an example or two - that'd be really helpful - I said "tend not". If Civil action was practical, then Chev Walker 2 years ago would have sued the 2 tacklers when his leg broke, even though it wasn't intentional for the outcome. Same for Richie Owen and so on - Civil action is based on recovery and being responsible, not so much fault and justice - so I think thats a hot headed rumour.
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A lad playing for Nevvy was visited by the police after an incident just last weekend. The investigation is ongoing.
A player for Doncaster RUFC was arrested for assaulting a Wath RUFC player about ten years ago resulting in conviction. The father of the Wath player also got 18 months for his part in the ensuing brawl.
Selby Warriors RLFC have a player currently under investigation for an incident which I witnessed. It was nowt. Absolutely nowt. But the player feels he has a case and is seeking redress. It isn't my place to judge and my comments of "it's nowt" are meaningless in that process.
Quote mdean="mdean"Secondly, incredibly lucky to be categorised Grade C in my opinion, but thats the point and you can see it clearly on here- Opinions differ between thinking it was play on, to actually sending Chase to the Haigh for crimes against humanity. Personally 4/5 games feels about right.
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and that's why I'm reluctant to judge. It looked harsh but I'm not sitting in judgement. I'll let those on the panel do that.
But if a player feels agrieved, genuinely feels he has been assaulted, I don't see any problem with seeking redress.
If there is no guilt, there will be no action!
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| Quote mdean="mdean"Very much doubt there is scope for civil action - these kinds of things have been tested in court before and tried and they tend not to work - I hope someone can call me a stupid anme and cite an example or two - that'd be really helpful - I said "tend not". If Civil action was practical, then Chev Walker 2 years ago would have sued the 2 tacklers when his leg broke, even though it wasn't intentional for the outcome. Same for Richie Owen and so on - Civil action is based on recovery and being responsible, not so much fault and justice - so I think thats a hot headed rumour.'"
The Walker incident was a bit different as the tacklers' actions were within the rules of the game. Not saying I think civil action in this case is the way forward, just pointing out an obvious difference.
Quote mdean="mdean"Secondly, incredibly lucky to be categorised Grade C in my opinion, but thats the point and you can see it clearly on here- Opinions differ between thinking it was play on, to actually sending Chase to the Haigh for crimes against humanity. Personally 4/5 games feels about right..'"
Quote mdean="mdean"It was a bad challenge, one can argue all day if it was deliberate, but the only person who knows is Rangi. Officials were close, very close and Mr Thaler is not one to leave his cards in the dressing room - so if there was a sniff, he would have acted. The Touchy didn't even give a penner - so polarised opinions abound, but it is not a hanging offense and it may not have been deliberate.
All that said, if Finn had followed through on Danny Orr like that, I would equally be suggesting he was deported.'"
The issue of whether it was deliberate is tricky, but judiciary panels are entitled to form an opinion based on the evidence they see. I know what mine would be based on the footage, but that will be up to the panel to determine.
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| Oh, I am not saying Roparti may not try, I am also not saying that it hasn't happen - I am suggesting it is rare and we need to be careful on what Civil action means versus criminal - there are a mix of them in the examples.
Investigating an assault is different to proving civil responsibility..... Which is why I made my example about the people in the act of tackling who broke the assorted legs - assault and police differs from being responsible for the result, be it deliberate or accidental.
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| Quote Gronk!="Gronk!"So you're a psychologist?
Barrie & Terry both called it a "great shot" on air.
Ah, so you know nothing about Rugby League, got it.'"
I wonder if you would be of the same opinion of the "great shot" if It was you on the end of it.
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| Quote mdean="mdean"Oh, I am not saying Roparti may not try, I am also not saying that it hasn't happen - I am suggesting it is rare and we need to be careful on what Civil action means versus criminal - there are a mix of them in the examples.
Investigating an assault is different to proving civil responsibility..... Which is why I made my example about the people in the act of tackling who broke the assorted legs - assault and police differs from being responsible for the result, be it deliberate or accidental.'"
Ging dong will correct me if I'm wrong but I believe a legal team is seeking fiscal redress for a player allegedly assaulted by a selby player. There is the civil action. I understand that a criminal investigation is running in tandem with that.
The actions at Wath RUFC (my old club) saw both successful criminal and civil actions taken against players/club official involved.
Can't make further comment on the lad from Nevvy
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| Quote Rotherham Fev Fan="Rotherham Fev Fan"..... I believe a legal team is seeking fiscal redress for a player allegedly assaulted by a selby player. There is the civil action. '"
Makes sense that part, but that will be for loss of earnings away from the game, depends if the sport is your primary income and you are registered and insured as a professional or if you have a main job, which is impacted by your sporting injury.
There are margins for a claim there on the basis of loss responsibility, all pretty ugly for the game if that happens at this level..... we will see I guess.
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| Quote cushler="cushler"I wonder if you would be of the same opinion of the "great shot" if I dropped the same on you.'"
I'd be tempted to use the phrase "WHAMMO"
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| Quote Rotherham Fev Fan="Rotherham Fev Fan"Ging dong will correct me if I'm wrong but I believe a legal team is seeking fiscal redress for a player allegedly assaulted by a selby player. There is the civil action. I understand that a criminal investigation is running in tandem with that.
The actions at Wath RUFC (my old club) saw both successful criminal and civil actions taken against players/club official involved.
Can't make further comment on the lad from Nevvy'"
Dont come on here talking Rugby union rar rar boys  , face facts RL is a tuff game players brake things, chase smashed one of your players in my view was fair shot, get over it! there ain't gunner be any criminal or civil action taken!!
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