Agreed he does work harder and runs harder than most players in the team, but he doesnt score enough tries for a winger with only 5 last year and his defence can be suspect.

In an ideal world (if we could afford it!!), we could do with 3 positions covering IMO. A good strong prop so we dont see the defence weaken when Sarge has a breather, a good half back to cover for Shifty's inevitable injuries (I would like to see Brierley brought through), and a winger with pace (Wainy is a big favourite of mine due to his effort and workrate, as mentioned by others, but just not a SL standard winger - good squad player though). With this in mind, what are peoples thoughts on most important?? I know Speedy will say half back (or fecking half back depending on his mood!!!)

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No and hope you are not one of the Cas fans that wood be happy seeing this player selected week in and week out.

Certainly not....... i do not need to do that. bring the lad in can he be any worse than Ryan Boyle the home grown player that we have just got rid of



another management masterstroke, but im sure you can see reason behind getting rid of a young prop local lad to bring in erm another prop of the same sort of level......come on Bonzo explain the TM reasoning behind this strange situation...

Laners ive learned that it is site suicide to show any form of criticism at all concerning TM. but ive never been a conformist and certainly not a sheep

Ryan boyle who was offered another contract by the club and turned it down becuase he wanted to be a starting prop?

Good for you, and i say it as i see it i know the difference between what we should have and who are the weaknesses within the club and its not just on the playing field.

I think Pyeman unless you have knowledge of the personal demande of a player you are not quite on the mark, i heard he want to play more first grade rugby, not exactly demanding anything but a chance, lets face it hes another player who didnt get the chances he probably should have from a team so keen and eager to develop its young players. its a matter of opinion whether people considered Ryan Boyle or Liam Higgins the better player, ive heard Ryan had some discipline problems which led to his near expulsion from the team by the coach, seemingly another player he was either unable or unwilling to manage, instead tuck them away and give em little chance Korkidas like, when Ryan did get a chance he never let the team down, i spoke to him a few times on face book and the lad was gutted he didnt get many chances, and when he did he was as giddy as a kipper. so we loose a lad who came through the ranks a kid who not just me but many wanted to stay to be replaced by a kid who nprobably is no better. maybe the fact he will get a wage and be a bit player is attractive to him......

I also wanted boyle to stay but the club offered him a new contract and he turned it down, what more can they do?. Of course he was itching to play all young players are the same, and at the end of the day he played 11 times last season, something that alot of 21 year old props would have been happy with at other clubs. you say he never had a chance but he has made 58 appearances for the club, once again many young props at other clubs would haven been over the moon with that many games. sam burgess and ryan both made there debuts in 2006 (burgess earlier on in the season) burgess made 80 appearances for bradford ryan made 58 for cas in the same time period, and burgess only really had to compete with lynch in the pecking order for most of that time, boyle has had, sarge, huby, nutley in front of him. theres not that much differance in 22 games in 3 years (especially when you consider the bulls have had more games with better cup runs and the playoff (as well us having a much shorter season in nl1).

Burgess was out injured for a long spell so that isn't a fair comparison. Lets not forget the division which a lot of Ryans appearances came in. If Boyle had been given more game time in the top flight, which in my view, he deserved, then we would not be having the discussion about needing another prop.

Compairing Ryan to Sam is soooooooooooooo way off the mark. a local lad with the ability to have a great forward career who needed game time to develop, against one of the most highly rated players in the league today someone so good he's going to australia to ply his trade with the best.