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Can anyone explain why our try at the end of the first half was disallowed? As I see it, Joe passed forward and the ball was caught before the ball hit the floor or an opponent therefore it would be a forward pass, and the video ref could not possibly action anything about this under their own rule? Answers please

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Apologies for being dismissive in my previous post, I have managed to find the rulebook on the RFL website (not an easy task).

The rulebook states a knock on is [i'to knock the ball towards the opponents’ dead ball line with hand or arm, while playing at the ball'[/i.

It then goes on to state that ifafter knocking-on accidentally, the player knocking-on regains or kicks the ball before it touches the ground, a goal post, cross bar or an opponent, then play shall be allowed to proceed. Otherwise play shall stop and a scrum shall be formed except after the fifth play-the-ball.[/i It is clear that Westerman knocked the ball forwards. Now your quote that it is only a knock on if it touches the ground, an opposition player or a post looks right, however the important bit here is that the player who knocks it forward must regain the ball, and he didn't, therefor knock on.

Now this is where you may state that it is covered by the forward pass rule (as per your previous post), however a pass is defined asa throw of the ball from one player to another[/i. It is pretty clear that Westerman did not throw the ball, so it cannot be classed as a pass.

This was my original point when stating that it had all the characteristics of a knock on (a knock towards the opposition line, and not regained by this player), and no characteristics of a forward pass (a throw of the ball).

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What puzzles me though, is if a ref can spot something as a knock on in that instance, (which wasn't the easiest thing in the world to spot) can they not see a fecking forward pass that goes forward over 5 meters? (As seems to happen in every single game of RL).

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however a pass is defined asa throw of the ball from one player to another[/i. It is pretty clear that Westerman did not throw the ball, so it cannot be classed as a pass.

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Dont want to sound like i'm nit picknig here but, if a pass can only be THROWN from one player to another. Why isnt a flick or a tip with the finger tips from one player to another be pulled back.


How many times do players who cant reach a ball to catch just flick it on to anther player. Just wondered. icon_smile.gif

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Quote: classycas2009 "What would he have done if he was tackled just before the line then score on the next play????'"

Probably still checked it and disallowed the try if there was input from the touch judges to suggest there'd been a problem.

Quote: classycas2009 "Dont want to sound like i'm nit picknig here but, if a pass can only be THROWN from one player to another. Why isnt a flick or a tip with the finger tips from one player to another be pulled back.

How many times do players who cant reach a ball to catch just flick it on to anther player. Just wondered. If it goes back, it's fine. If it's flicked forward, due to the flicking player having never been in posession of the ball, it's not a pass and therefore cannot be a forward pass, only a knock-on.

Having now watched this, it was a knock-on. The initial pass was fine, but Westerman's touch knocked the ball in a forward direction. When it was subsequently touched by Ferres, this completed the knock-on.

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Quote: poppys mum "Dont want to sound like i'm nit picknig here but, if a pass can only be THROWN from one player to another. Why isnt a flick or a tip with the finger tips from one player to another be pulled back.


How many times do players who cant reach a ball to catch just flick it on to anther player. Just wondered.
You can nudge the ball on with your toes if you want, but it could never be pulled as a forward pass.

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