The biggest problem Fax has are the same problems many other clubs are having including losing former supporters and some of their so called fans keep slagging them off on the public platforms, almost every thread is littered with them.

You can just imagine if they were an hotel with the same sort of reviews from those connected to the place how many new visitors they'd have.

The flip side you could argue would be if those people who were slagging the club off had not have kept asking questions, would we still have a club? The proof is in the pudding about how badly the club has been run, is there any chance that if it were better run then there would be less people slagging the club off?

The flip flip side is how many of those people who are slagging off the club and asking the questions were capable of supplying an answer themselves?

This situation is precisely what I said, Fax are facing the same problems many other clubs are facing so it would be more accurate to say the proof is in the pudding about how badly the CLUBS have been run.

Is there any chance of the clubs being better run by slagging them off?

The choice of support or slagging off usually depends on each persons disposition and what type of people they are inside.

Yes, using your hotel anaology, if a hotel was constantly getting bad reviews then the owners may do something to improve those reviews.

Personally I think this season has been poor due to multiple mitigating circumstances, injuries to important players, failed sponsorships , leaving board members. The ones being criticised shouldn’t be the ones that remain especially by people who don’t have the balls to be accountable themselves. There’s obviously a lot of cliques at Halifax and rather than coming together some choose to point the finger rather than lend a hand .

As with the hotel reviews some people are just serial moaners who have never run anything, haven't got the means or ability to do so and have no idea of how to do so themselves and frankly their not qualified.

Others doing the finger pointing have failed in running their own businesses and listening to bad advice from amateurs or failures will only make the situation worse.

The proof is in the pudding because the bigger picture shows.

It's not just one hotel (Fax) though is it, most of the clubs are losing millions and many are on the brink.

Are all the BoD's at these other clubs not trying to improve and incapable of running their clubs then, is it only at Fax?

Are there underlying reasons why the game is dying across the sport, yes and many of them have been aired multiple times on the same public platforms including by the same ones doing the slagging off.

Just a few of them are.
IMG are a complete waste of time.
The RFL are the most incompetent governing body in sport.
The SL clubs are only concerned about themselves and are taking all the money whilst using the other clubs for their own ends.
The entire system needs changing.

This ones the best which most if not everyone would agree with.

Without a multimillionaire sugar daddy we've no chance, well we haven't got a sugar daddy so we've no chance then.

It's money that makes the world go round and the root causes are now too deeply ingrained and the clubs have become unsustainable at current levels as can be clearly seen.

Just as with many of us it's getting to the point we can't afford to go to the game it's getting to the point where the clubs can't afford to be able to run the game and their caught in the net and can't disengage.

I'm sure with hindsight every club could have done better but I'm just as sure that the way things are no matter what they do isn't going to be enough and slagging people off for not being able to fix the unfixable certainly isn't the answer.

You appear to have more mates than me, greg, but likewise our group has shrunk somewhat. From going to every home and away match to now just a couple of us selecting matches. This wouldn't be too bad if there was a churn ...... that is old fans being replaced by new, but as I keep saying, the £20 entrance has now stopped that.

I do try to entice the missing back. They're still interested in the fortunes of Fax. But "I'm not paying 20 quid to go". End of. That's not slagging off the club and it's not even an opinion. It's a fact. Read other clubs' forums. I've never known such despair. Something needs to be done and the clubs need to get together during the close season for a complete overhaul.

This isn’t slagging anyone off it’s based on facts that we all know about and every one of us know how it’s affecting us and know several others who aren’t going because of the price of admission.

Falling attendances are just one part the net that the clubs are caught in but lowering the price doesn’t guarantee more will come in sufficient numbers either to make up the difference or increase the amount.

Admission prices aren’t the only reason for people not coming as for everyone of the fans that I know are being put off for that I know quadruple the amount who simply have no interest in rugby league and don’t even watch it on tv for free.

I think rugby league as a whole needs an overhaul on and off the pitch , it’s bigger than just us .

If we survive ironically I will buy a season ticket next year but I do think mini season tickets would help , modern day life is very busy balancing work family and everything else is harder than ever a mini season ticket would give the club and the fans more flexibility . Obviously certain games are more appealing than others , so perhaps a stamp of attend five games get one half price or a tiered pricing structure on the quality of the game . It’s disappointing that the rugby and football clubs don’t see eye to eye but they should be working together for example, a footy season ticket holder should get discounted prices to attend the rugby and vice a versa , I know regardless of my disinterest in footy I would be tempted to attend a game on a week night at a discounted price. The whole town should be working together with businesses and sponsors , discounted food n drinks , gym memberships , cinema discounts, travel lodge/hotel discounts, bowling, golf etc etc , these are modern times and there are more choices of entertainment than ever time to think out of the box , it’s not the 80s anymore time to think out of the box.

Listen up makes some very valid points, the ‘rot’ started way back in the 80’s when Sundays became another working day, for myself at that time I had to work on a Sunday this stopped me from attending many games, maybe you could blame the government of the day for allowing Sunday trading!
Whilst I am sure were Fax more successful additional local sponsors would see it as a marketing opportunity, however with very little outside exposure in media terms and companies having to carefully consider where to advertise Rugby league comes way down the list.
I am not an avid Halifax Courier reader, however the coverage of any sport bar association football is pathetic. It is not as though the football is tearing up a pathway to the Premier League.
Another point that has been made over and over, why can’t both Football and Rugby form a partnership?, one reason from reports I read and read between the lines so to speak, whilst there are bigoted board directors of one or other of the clubs(allegedly) this will never happen.
Again I am not privy to how the Council run the Shay or the terms of the contract signed, but not having a profit share from bar takings?, and dining packages circa £50 a pop, where do the contractors think ordinary people have that spare change in this day and age?
I do not claim to have the answers but as my dear mum used to say to me and my siblings, if I knocked your heads together would it put some sense into them, take note all 3 protagonists ( football,rugby,council) because if professional sport dies in Halifax so does a lot of free advertising as little as it may be in the media, unless the Piece Hall is going to be the saviour and future of Halifax.
You may and will be correct in saying, “ you left here, why do you care?” Yes I did but I am a proud Halifaxian and would love to shove down other expats throats that we have a town to be proud of, especially a rugby league team.
End of sermon

As I've said before There isn't an answer, it's all too deep rooted and they can't get out of it.

Well, Faxcar, your first four mentioned points are absolutely valid complaints/reasons. Anyone thinking or believing otherwise is deluded. Also it would be helpful if the hotels weren't full of illegals. If we could get in one we might just be able to add up correctly and plant the seeds to grow a proper forest where all the insects have an even chance of growing up. Finally, the one point that i hear more than anything else including cost/leaving Thrum Hall/playing Sundays in't summer is lack of P&R. Every conversation on RL i have nowadays seems to end up with 'what's the point'? That is something I find very hard to argue against.

Of course there's an answer. There's a solution to every problem.

Well what is it then that has any chance of all the parties involved agreeing to and will actually be implemented?

Slightly off topic but Ive been thinking more about ticket pricing because I don't normally take much notice but I have been seeing more adverts for this Sundays game which is great but I just wonder the clubs thinking around the young adult pricing and age range. I think something needs to be done in this area as I think we would all agree money is getting tighter and tighter but I just don't get the age range and the thinking behind it.

A lot of young ones now are in education till at least 18 so the age range of 16-18 are quite unlikely to be able to afford the prices that the club charge at the moment and I don't know if this is just me but it seems to be reflected in the demographic on the terraces almost as though there is a whole generation of people missing as the club has done a lot of work in the community which is fantastic and every week you see the young kids around the stadium but then it just seems to be a lot of the older generations after that. Maybe a re-think of the pricing and age ranges for the young adult tickets are needed.