[i[Part quoteAt championship level your standard mainstay squad player has a trade as his primary job - earning him somewhere around £30k +/-
He then plays part-time RL for an additional £10-£15k per year.
And that is it. You can build a 22 man squad for about £250k from that premise. And RL is a simple enough game that it will be competitive." End.
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Not having a go and a serious question.
When has Bradford's playing budget past and present ever fitted into the financial figures mentioned above.
How much was Dec Patton on, how much did it cost to get Gaskell to sign, how much is Joe Keyes going to be paid.
How many other players are being paid between £10-£15 k per year and what is the likely hood of that ever happening?
It's all too deeply rooted and too far gone and now events are catching up and it's difficult to know what or if there is an answer.

Maybe if enough go bust and enough of them still have the desire they rise from the ashes and form a division that's based on the lower wages / entrance fees that have been mentioned.

Those 3 you mentioned are all halves. Usually a premium on them.

A specific example is recently Thomas Doyle - Bradford offered him £25k to stay but Keighley went for £30k. He had fulltime offer from Leigh in the £45k range which didn't compensate for his job so he stayed part-time.
I'm a Bradford fan, and I can see the issues. Bradford have options for jobs for players - in the foundation, in the academy. Whilst the academy costs low 6 figures, it does provide alternative sponsorship & funding streams. And the 3 newest directors (excluding Wood) do seem to be prepared to fund various areas for IMG points but also the performance side on the pitch.
I would say currently in Bradfords squad - Arundel, Hallas, Davies, Smith, Baldwinson, Butler are all the older type of player who have either been in SL or have no desire for SL and will take a decent part-time wage.
Scurr, Myers, Jowitt, Peposhi are all the second type of player, still trying to prove to an SL club they are worth a shot.
The elephant in the room (which I understand) is that Bradford have signed at least 6 overseas/Aussie players who won't have come over for that kind of wage. They'll have to be on more, possibly split with the foundation.

I had thought of the overseas players but wanted to keep it short and with that it mind the short answer is none of them standard players who play regular first team are on 10-15k and the 25k to 30k bidding scenario is exactly what I was referring to often with much higher amounts involved.

I'll resist the temptation to say who the elephant in the room is but Nigel Wood in this weeks rugby league press says on Bradford's turn over ( income / spending )
that it had increased form £1,715,762 in 2022 to £2,131,351 in 2023 turning a £270,288 a loss into a £21,288 profit for the same period which although it will cover all aspects of running a club still dwarfs and is over 10 times the £250k amount mentioned to be able to run a rugby club on.

Also worth mentioning Bradford are still in the Championship and if and when they do get into SL those figures will no doubt get much bigger.

The biggest problem Fax have at the moment is keeping hold of existing fans nevermind attracting new ones. I know we mentioned the Wakey game which was the lowest attendance that I have seen from a Fax following at a game in a long time. From someone who has gone religiously for around 40 years and even when we moved down to the Shay there was a group of about 20 of us that would go to every game, we would book dining packages, most of us had large sponsorship packages at one time or another, but over the last few years this number has dwindled right down to 4 or 5 if we are lucky, dining is too expensive and poor quality, and none of us sponsor anymore for one reason or another, and the ones who still do go are picking and choosing games.

Last season was the first season I had really picked and chosen games but the games were snoozefests and I could easily go and watch an amateur team on Saturday and have Sunday free and if you pick a decent game it can offer a bit more entertainment than what we have served up in the games over the last couple of seasons. The fact that our games are shown on YT a couple of days after I am not sure helps things as I know I can watch the game a couple of days after anyway if people have said it were a good game.

So I would still class myself as a diehard fan but Im not going to drag my mates down to games for the reason that TF mentions about the price when for the same money you can go and have a few pints at an amateur club and a lot of my mates do now sponsor at amateur teams where it always feels like your money is more appreciated. How do Fax tap in to the area to attract new fans? Its no longer as simple as giving out some free tickets at schools knowing parents will have to take their kids, you can see even when they have the community teams down you might get 7 or 8 out of maybe 25 or 30 players so even on planned days parents are not sending their kids. When I were younger everyone either went to the football or rugby because thats just what you did but there is just so much else that people can do these days. Its obviously not just a Fax problem but it is one that we can see is affecting us massively.

The biggest problem Fax has are the same problems many other clubs are having including losing former supporters and some of their so called fans keep slagging them off on the public platforms, almost every thread is littered with them.

You can just imagine if they were an hotel with the same sort of reviews from those connected to the place how many new visitors they'd have.

The flip side you could argue would be if those people who were slagging the club off had not have kept asking questions, would we still have a club? The proof is in the pudding about how badly the club has been run, is there any chance that if it were better run then there would be less people slagging the club off?

The flip flip side is how many of those people who are slagging off the club and asking the questions were capable of supplying an answer themselves?

This situation is precisely what I said, Fax are facing the same problems many other clubs are facing so it would be more accurate to say the proof is in the pudding about how badly the CLUBS have been run.

Is there any chance of the clubs being better run by slagging them off?

The choice of support or slagging off usually depends on each persons disposition and what type of people they are inside.

Yes, using your hotel anaology, if a hotel was constantly getting bad reviews then the owners may do something to improve those reviews.

Personally I think this season has been poor due to multiple mitigating circumstances, injuries to important players, failed sponsorships , leaving board members. The ones being criticised shouldn’t be the ones that remain especially by people who don’t have the balls to be accountable themselves. There’s obviously a lot of cliques at Halifax and rather than coming together some choose to point the finger rather than lend a hand .

As with the hotel reviews some people are just serial moaners who have never run anything, haven't got the means or ability to do so and have no idea of how to do so themselves and frankly their not qualified.

Others doing the finger pointing have failed in running their own businesses and listening to bad advice from amateurs or failures will only make the situation worse.

The proof is in the pudding because the bigger picture shows.

It's not just one hotel (Fax) though is it, most of the clubs are losing millions and many are on the brink.

Are all the BoD's at these other clubs not trying to improve and incapable of running their clubs then, is it only at Fax?

Are there underlying reasons why the game is dying across the sport, yes and many of them have been aired multiple times on the same public platforms including by the same ones doing the slagging off.

Just a few of them are.
IMG are a complete waste of time.
The RFL are the most incompetent governing body in sport.
The SL clubs are only concerned about themselves and are taking all the money whilst using the other clubs for their own ends.
The entire system needs changing.

This ones the best which most if not everyone would agree with.

Without a multimillionaire sugar daddy we've no chance, well we haven't got a sugar daddy so we've no chance then.

It's money that makes the world go round and the root causes are now too deeply ingrained and the clubs have become unsustainable at current levels as can be clearly seen.

Just as with many of us it's getting to the point we can't afford to go to the game it's getting to the point where the clubs can't afford to be able to run the game and their caught in the net and can't disengage.

I'm sure with hindsight every club could have done better but I'm just as sure that the way things are no matter what they do isn't going to be enough and slagging people off for not being able to fix the unfixable certainly isn't the answer.

You appear to have more mates than me, greg, but likewise our group has shrunk somewhat. From going to every home and away match to now just a couple of us selecting matches. This wouldn't be too bad if there was a churn ...... that is old fans being replaced by new, but as I keep saying, the £20 entrance has now stopped that.

I do try to entice the missing back. They're still interested in the fortunes of Fax. But "I'm not paying 20 quid to go". End of. That's not slagging off the club and it's not even an opinion. It's a fact. Read other clubs' forums. I've never known such despair. Something needs to be done and the clubs need to get together during the close season for a complete overhaul.

This isn’t slagging anyone off it’s based on facts that we all know about and every one of us know how it’s affecting us and know several others who aren’t going because of the price of admission.

Falling attendances are just one part the net that the clubs are caught in but lowering the price doesn’t guarantee more will come in sufficient numbers either to make up the difference or increase the amount.

Admission prices aren’t the only reason for people not coming as for everyone of the fans that I know are being put off for that I know quadruple the amount who simply have no interest in rugby league and don’t even watch it on tv for free.

I think rugby league as a whole needs an overhaul on and off the pitch , it’s bigger than just us .

If we survive ironically I will buy a season ticket next year but I do think mini season tickets would help , modern day life is very busy balancing work family and everything else is harder than ever a mini season ticket would give the club and the fans more flexibility . Obviously certain games are more appealing than others , so perhaps a stamp of attend five games get one half price or a tiered pricing structure on the quality of the game . It’s disappointing that the rugby and football clubs don’t see eye to eye but they should be working together for example, a footy season ticket holder should get discounted prices to attend the rugby and vice a versa , I know regardless of my disinterest in footy I would be tempted to attend a game on a week night at a discounted price. The whole town should be working together with businesses and sponsors , discounted food n drinks , gym memberships , cinema discounts, travel lodge/hotel discounts, bowling, golf etc etc , these are modern times and there are more choices of entertainment than ever time to think out of the box , it’s not the 80s anymore time to think out of the box.

Listen up makes some very valid points, the ‘rot’ started way back in the 80’s when Sundays became another working day, for myself at that time I had to work on a Sunday this stopped me from attending many games, maybe you could blame the government of the day for allowing Sunday trading!
Whilst I am sure were Fax more successful additional local sponsors would see it as a marketing opportunity, however with very little outside exposure in media terms and companies having to carefully consider where to advertise Rugby league comes way down the list.
I am not an avid Halifax Courier reader, however the coverage of any sport bar association football is pathetic. It is not as though the football is tearing up a pathway to the Premier League.
Another point that has been made over and over, why can’t both Football and Rugby form a partnership?, one reason from reports I read and read between the lines so to speak, whilst there are bigoted board directors of one or other of the clubs(allegedly) this will never happen.
Again I am not privy to how the Council run the Shay or the terms of the contract signed, but not having a profit share from bar takings?, and dining packages circa £50 a pop, where do the contractors think ordinary people have that spare change in this day and age?
I do not claim to have the answers but as my dear mum used to say to me and my siblings, if I knocked your heads together would it put some sense into them, take note all 3 protagonists ( football,rugby,council) because if professional sport dies in Halifax so does a lot of free advertising as little as it may be in the media, unless the Piece Hall is going to be the saviour and future of Halifax.
You may and will be correct in saying, “ you left here, why do you care?” Yes I did but I am a proud Halifaxian and would love to shove down other expats throats that we have a town to be proud of, especially a rugby league team.
End of sermon

As I've said before There isn't an answer, it's all too deep rooted and they can't get out of it.