Certainly not at Super League level.

Worrying signs yesterday that we might be missing marshalls calming influence . We were well beaten and a trip to red hall as well.a long time since we visited there that i can recall . Who was the last player before Fleming to get sent off ? Manu?

Paying the price for Marshall's poor recruitment and blind faith. Grix has a massive rebuilding job on his hands but luckily a lot of these contracts run out at the end of the year.The only positive from missing out on the top 5 this season is that CC prize money and gate receipts should enable us to have one of the biggest part time budgets again so he should be able to put his own team together.

GFB you seem to be getting very vitriolic about Marshall, he has gone, history, whats the name of that tune? oh yeah
Don't look back in anger.
Forward with Grix's Grinches or whatever they will be called.

Massive rebuilding job lol..what sort of endorsement of the current squad and reserves is that . All the squad provide grix with an excellent solid platform to tweak as and when affordable and the right players come along or move up reserves .we dont need massive change just move the right players into the key positipns over time. Evolution. On the discipline front was Manu actually the last fax player red carded in 2015 ? Hell of a dicipline record they can all be proud of . Even leigh learnt that lesson eventually you cant win hard games getting reds and yellows.

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We don't have the right players to move in to key positions. By the sounds of it Grix is already looking to offload quite a number of players as its clear to most we have a number of players that can no longer, or never could, cut it at a team aiming for top 5.

I think that's a fair assessment, although we do have the basis of a very strong team.

Serious question guys.What/who do you reckon was the secret of your success (and it has been success) in the Championship, these past few seasons?

Ok, you did look jaded on Sunday, and there were justifiable reasons for that, but you looked pretty impressive when you hammered us at yours.

We had the nucleus of a good team from the Harrison era, that was a long time ago though and many of that team are still here and maybe as much a part that played in the success, it may also now be playing a part in our "downfall". Marshall also took over around the time we picked up some very good young talent and their inclusion in to the first team squad probably kept the players on their toes. Theres the new coach effect that usually lasts at least a season or two and strangely once the squad was put together the lack of funds to bring in players if anything just enhanced the team spirit in the squad.

The downside of it all was Marshall's record when it came to signing players, in season 2 where he had quite a bit of money he chose to pad out the squad and as a result of those signings we missed out on the top 4, Im not even sure if any of those players are still at the club. Sadly Marshall's poor recruitment decisions eventually cost him his job as once again this season with lots of money to spend he ignored what people around him were saying and went out and signed players that now see us in the position we are in. If anything it might have been a case of Marshall being too loyal to some players and not ruthless enough. When you look at the players he had the opportunity to sign but dillied and dallied when it came to making a decision it paints a sad picture when you see some of them ripping us apart this season.

Thanks for that. Ironically, we are currently reverting to a number of the players who were with us during our 'successful' time in the Championship, albeit with a different coach. We have had three almost completely new squads, in the past three seasons, but at least this one is performing with a good deal of pride in the shirt. In the past few seasons, we made the mistake, in my opinion, of jettisoning all the local lads and, last season we really looked like a group of mercenaries, playing with very little pride.

Where we go next, I'm not sure. I suspect our owner is waiting to re-ignite the SL dream, once Toronto are out of the way - although he could once again have HKR to contend with, and indeed Toronto, if they 'bottle' the play-offs again! I should be safe in hoping we don't end up getting promoted - if indeed we make the top five. I have thoroughly enjoyed this season, so far - it's been a refreshing change from the last couple of years. I wouldn't be downhearted at the prospect of tangling with 'Fax, Fev, Widnes etc. in the Championship for a few more seasons!

Alan, I would say a big part of our limited success, and as you say, yours this season, is having players who want to play for the club. Hard work is a must in rugby league, add some skill to that and you have a decent team, a couple of players who don’t pull their weight will cause a big impact.