Lacklustre ????
You couldn't have chosen a more inappropriate word if you'd have tried !

Just 16 men available for the match, 18-6 down at one point and unable to make any interchanges for a lot of the 2nd half due to no fit players on the bench ....

I think 'remarkable' would be a better choice.

It's ok saying all their tries were scored down Haleys side..but bringing him off didn't make a blind bit of difference. Both Holly and Jones were shifted out there and guess what...they both let in tries down that side. Any team could score anywhere on the line at the moment cos none of them can defend. There are somer serious problems that need addressing at the club. And it ness to start with finding out why the players don't seem to want to play.

It just showed more tactical ineptness by our coach. Fair enough bring Haley off he was having a stinker but at least re-arrange so we have someone who can defend out where Barrow were constantly attacking us.

Is there anyone at the club you like??

In the cold light of Monday morning yesterday was a disgrace, a Team that cannot play 80 mins - too many oldies, poor recruitment, poor tactics, poor defence need I go on. Never seen the Shay empty as quick even in the dark days of 2003, and it will get worse unless the Board gets tough with the coach and the Team. Forget SL, who wants to see a Team thrashed every week, we've been there and got the T-Shirt.
Why does Penky only play 40mins when Holroyd plays 80 (he came as backup,has been a super player especially end of last season, but not to play every game). Div 1 is staring us in the face, how many will be at the Shay then? Get a grip before it's too late, the only consolation is the Bulls got thrashed yesterday too. Ok we have some injuries but that is no excuse.

Staff or players? Staff - a couple. Players - yes but i can see we are carrying far too many. I just try and be honest.

Because our coach has a rigid game plan that dosnt lend to adapting to a players form.

The thing is if we get into Super League we will build a completely different team its just we will not get there now so we will have to carry on being gash in the Championship unless we make changes. Thanks to certain players in our squad for ruining what little chance we had of getting into super League

It's time he got a new game plan before it's too late, Plan A (the only one ) isn't working. Wish I hadn't bought a Ticket for next week, we will get another thrashing irespective of how bad Bulls were yesterday. For Calland not to turn up in the Sponsors Lounge or on radio Leeds says it all. I'm waiting for the excuses. If we do get into SL(God forbid) all the best players will have been snapped up, Widnes are already recruting.

Let me first say this is not sour grapes just an observation. The last good final quater you had was the GF where your impact forwards Frank, Makali got a an extra 45 minutes rest, and you had more interchanges to use in the second half due to not having to use as many in the first. I would say fitness has a lot to do with it or balance of squad. Its like the tortoise and the Hair, you start like a house on fire and then seem to grind to a halt, except the Grand final, where you got to start the race twice. Please believe me when I say Im not knocking your success its their in the history books. I do think however it may have papered over some of you problems.

I would say Royston is the biggest loss for you, as when your creative players made space, broke the line, threw caution to the wind etc in Royston you had a player who always busted a gut to back up and make himself available to either finish or take plays on to second phase.

Obviously a player of Royston's quality is a huge loss but from what I've seen there doesn't seem to be anywhere near the same threat from a Black-Holroyd partnership at half back as there was Branighan-Black, and arguably that's a much more vital cog in a side.

I can see what your saying, however my observation is based on the fact that a lot of what was "good" at fax came from off the cuff stuff and and Royston made a lot of that pay due to his backing up. Also in the GF Brannigan was in the centre.

As a team Fax lack the structure of a Leigh or Fev and have relied on the off the cuff stuff for a while, which is fair enough as their fans will tell you its very entertaining and has won them a GF so fair play, but without sombody to capitalise or make themselves available to take plays on to second phase its a risky way of playing.

Think what 'Fax are missing is that you have to earn the right to play off the cuff and do the hardwork beforehand to build a platform to create space in the backs.

If some of them have any sense they will already have a plan and idea about the future, who could blame them.
As for Matt not turning up to post match activities, if he was running the riot act, i'd chuckle, its him thats playing old men with nothing to offer and its him that allows Frank to be on the pitch week in week out less than the kick tee lad or physio.

I've bit my tongue for a while. The way I see it is this. We have a squad of players here at fax most of whom would walk into any other side in the league. Any of those other sides that are currently above us. They are not performing as they for, in my opinion one of two reasons:

1. They are badly coached and motivated and not in a professional environment
2. There is no incentive for them to perform, they pick up a pay cheque regardless.

If its number 1, then we need to get rid, quickly, before the rot truly sets in. If number 2, I guess we'll never find out why there may be no incentive to perform. I doubt the blindly obvious excuse of not being able to be promoted is enough. I don't buy into the theory we are super league bound and none of the players will be staying. We are the RFLs fall guys here to get other clubs to pull their socks up. If we are super league bound then god help us if reason 1 is the case and is not rectified!