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| Quote: griff1998 "Hmmmm - the RFL agree with me but you don't.
I can live with that.'"
Of course that's what we have been missing the bit about the part of the criteria were the RFL have to agree with you.
Also you will still be upset forever for the reason that I said which has caused you to become.
Schadenfreude.
Look it up and keep letting it eat away at you.
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| Very good thread this, i quite enjoyed the start where halifax "should consider our legal options". Given the Sam Barlow-Sheffield farce last year, that was quite funny. But thats old hat now.
I actually sympathise a little with Fax on this one, under the terms of the RFL licence guidelines that they themselves laid out, your application beats Wakefield's hands down. Your solvent (just), have finally finished the stadium and have achieved on the pitch.
For me licencing is a good idea, but the RFL are not even sticking to their own rules regarding it. Thats the big problem here.
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| It isn't the time to ' act ' , it's the time to all sit down together and work out how we [ the clubs ] are going to improve the Championships [ both of them ] to the level that in future clubs cannot be refused a fair tilt at the top tier
Because I'm sure as hell the RFL aren't going to make it happen
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| Quote: Starbug "It isn't the time to ' act ' , it's the time to all sit down together and work out how we [ the clubs ] are going to improve the Championships [ both of them ] to the level that in future clubs cannot be refused a fair tilt at the top tier
Because I'm sure as hell the RFL aren't going to make it happen'"
I'm with you on this, the clubs need to work together on this.
I think in and among the comments made yesterday by Mr Steele there had been a few phone calls from concerned directors of other clubs that felt that they way Halifax had been treat was ominous for them as well so it could happen.
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| Quote: faxcar "Schadenfreude.
Look it up and keep letting it eat away at you.'"
Serendipity, more like.
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| Quote: faxcar "I'm with you on this, the clubs need to work together on this.
I think in and among the comments made yesterday by Mr Steele there had been a few phone calls from concerned directors of other clubs that felt that they way Halifax had been treat was ominous for them as well so it could happen.'"
If they give me a ring I'll organise it , seriously I will
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| Quote: griff1998 "Serendipity, more like.'"
Bitterness gnawing away again, gnaw, gnaw.
But.
Whatever you say, have you checked with the RFL to see if they agree with you.
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| Quote: Dr Badvibes "I actually sympathise a little with Fax on this one, under the terms of the RFL licence guidelines that they themselves laid out, your application beats Wakefield's hands down. Your solvent (just), have finally finished the stadium and have achieved on the pitch.'"
The insolvency criteria was removed months ago, well before the applications were submitted. Performance on the pitch in the Championship is a criteria to be allowed to [iapply[/i for entry to SL, not one used to judge whether a club should be admitted. Facilities I'll give you.
Without seeing both applications I don't see how you can so confidently assert that one beat the other 'hands down'.
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| Quote: Kosh "The insolvency criteria was removed months ago, well before the applications were submitted. Performance on the pitch in the Championship is a criteria to be allowed to [iapply[/i for entry to SL, not one used to judge whether a club should be admitted. Facilities I'll give you.
Without seeing both applications I don't see how you can so confidently assert that one beat the other 'hands down'.'"
Yes we know , just before the Crusaders went into administration , fortunatly for them , unfortunatly for Fax
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| Quote: Starbug "It isn't the time to ' act ' , it's the time to all sit down together and work out how we [ the clubs ] are going to improve the Championships [ both of them ] to the level that in future clubs cannot be refused a fair tilt at the top tier
Because I'm sure as hell the RFL aren't going to make it happen'"
IF all the Championship and Championship 1 clubs had the balls to get together and make a stand, then it might be worth it. But, can anyone ever see this occurring? The RFL will have quiet words with some clubs to undermine their resolve, IMO, and then what does it matter when the SL clubs can out-vote all the Championship clubs on matters?
I've had it with this sport. Banana republic comes to mind.
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| Quote: Tortured Soul "IF all the Championship and Championship 1 clubs had the balls to get together and make a stand, then it might be worth it. But, can anyone ever see this occurring? The RFL will have quiet words with some clubs to undermine their resolve, IMO, and then what does it matter when the SL clubs can out-vote all the Championship clubs on matters?
I've had it with this sport. Banana republic comes to mind.'"
I'm not saying they ' revolt ' as I'm sure Nigel and Richard think we are ' revolting ' anyway
Im saying get together , look at what we can do to improve our clubs and the competitions we play in , the aim is to generate more interest and eventually money for our clubs , as at the end of the day it is money that ' talks ' in proffessional sport , it always has been
Being a big fish in a tiny pond is of no use to any of us , we need to Make the pond bigger ' richer ' and have as many big fish in it as we can build
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| Quote: Starbug "Yes we know , just before the Crusaders went into administration , fortunatly for them , unfortunatly for Fax'"
But it keeps getting mentioned as a criteria when it wasn't, regardless of the reason for the removal.
This assumes that it was a straight choice between Fax and Wakey for the final place. Ever considered that it might not have been?
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| To think that Wakey didnt have the worst application is quite frankly laughable.
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| Just see Mr Creosote on Boots'n'all.
Pathetic, Lewis, Rimmer and Wood should go. Bumbling idiots.
Its about time SL chairmen had a long hard look at themselves, they are killing the sport.
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| Quote: taffy tiger "Whilst I understand your frustration , and even as a Cas fan , I do think you are being a little harsh on Wakey under the circumstances . Yes , you are absolutely correct that they went into administration , but they were able to do so confident in the knowledge that it wouldn't prevent them from applying for a super league franchise , as this rule had been ' wavered ' but not because of Wakey , but because of the Crusaders . When you look at the situation with the ground you are , again , absolutely correct in stating that Wakey have failed to fulfill their promise of a new stadium ( as have Cas at the moment to be fair ) , but there seems no doubt on here or on any of the other forums that Halifax ground is , at the moment , better than those of Wakey and Cas , and I would agree , but this has also been noted by the RFL , who will have awarded a point on the Fax application under stadium , but not under the Wakey or Cas application and , as has been stated on numerous occasions , this was not the only criteria of a super league franchise , and on all other points Wakey will have outscored you . Now , once again I don't doubt that you could have done much more on these fronts with the cash that SL clubs have had , and the security of 3 years in the top flight , had you been in their position , but the fact remains that you were not , however harsh that seems . Your main chance of a SL place was when the Championship applications were submitted , but unfortunately you came up against a very strong application from Widnes , there was absolutely no obligation from the RFL to promote a second championship side , and they did praise your application and actually gave you a second chance , but this may have turned out to be as protection for themselves in case , as has happened , a SL team was unable to continue , and they could save their own embarassment by promoting you . Rest assured that if a further SL team withdraws / Folds , you will be a shue in to fill their place , and rightly so . To be fair to Wakey their comminity work has merited a mention by the RFL to such an extent that they want other SL clubs to follow Wakeys example
In summary , and in a strange kind of way , it isn't Wakey that you should be angry at , it is the Crusaders . Had they not gone into administration in the first place , or having gone into administration , had they then decided to remove themselves from SL and not wait until yesterday , then you would also have been a SL club next year , as the RFL would definitely not have ' wavered ' the administration rule for Wakey ( or any other Sl club apart from expansion teams or Leeds , Wigan , Saints , Wire , Hull ) and Wakey wouldn't have been able to apply for a franchise this time around , Crusaders would have been out and Widnes and Fax ( the best 2 championship applications ) would have been in SL from 2012 .
Sorry if this upsets , and I know feelings are running high at the moment , and understandably so , but it isn't really Wakey's fault , they have , under the current stipulations of the RFL met with the requirements to be awarded a franchise for the next 3 years'"
Hit the nail on the head there fella!
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