I love my club more than i love the game i think so when anyone dishes a bad vibe out it fecks me right off, banter is banter but constant stupid posts (mainly were u there in 87 and his idiotic side kick Swell) spoil many a thread.

Littlerich is actually very much missed from the board and we all hope Santa delivers his (widnes) season ticket as promised in his recent letter. As for Florimo his avatar probabaly sums him up, nice guy but a bit of a pain in the at times.


anyway enough of this, merry christmas.

....... ah yes - everyone gets an unwanted Christmas present or two. I'll put the ticket with the M&S Woodspice set and the Turkish Delight - Santa loves a recycler

Shame on you.......got to look at the overall picture.

I am however feeling the love.

Wait until you approach 40. It's deafening

Widnes are favs to go up to SL but for me Fax still have some way to go and I am not sure going up to SL will benefit Fax as will struggle to compete with the Big Teams or with The Sugar Daddy teams like Huddersfield. Realistically the game is buggered with the Franchise Nonsense. Maybe the idea is good but in reality its very bad for the game as a whole. I am a Rugby League Fan first and want the game to grow and not be stuck in the North of England. However fast tracking teams through is a bad idea. Let teams progress naturally. All teams should be treated the same from Blackpool to Leeds to Catalans. Rugby League is a Sport for all-but all things need to grow at its own pace. Clubs need to look at what they are doing and is it worth getting in to debt to play in a Comp that is frankly a Joke in my opinion. If clubs want to spend money on Academy teams good. If a team does not want to do that than thats also fair enough. But trying to compare clubs and grade them is not fair as each club as its own circumstances. Lets go back to P & R-and Barrow should be in SL this year with the Welsh lot in the Championship.

I am suprised that a business man of SOC's stature has paid for a new gym and seats in a stadium he doesnt own.

And your right - you have made the losses of a SL club....but in the Championship. Well done for that.

Lets hope you do get in in 2012, if you dont will SOC take his money out? Do the RFL actually want a team from Widnes in the top competition? Look at the past.....not in the original SL,.....Dumped for the French......Celtic and Salford being chosen above you.....hmmm could it happen again?

No we wouldnt, but thats down to peoples opinion of players. As for the players you have stated - Maybe Flynn and Kavanagh might be good enough. The others arent regulars in you team at the moment. If they were going to be ready for SL they should be ready for the CC now shouldnt they? Will all of them be in your first team when the season kicks off?

And its a good job based on the losses you announced!

A loss is a loss - a SL size loss at that. Maybe the RFL will look at that and your recent administration...and decide your not worth the risk? Maybe...maybe not.

It was a direct investment in the clubs' infrastructure.

Whose loss is it?

How much has this put Widnes in debt?

It was announced as a loss wasnt it? Can here Fat Nige now laughing into his BIG sunday dinner thinking of reasons for keeping Widnes out of the SL...maybe he has one now.

Widnes was not given a licence because of the administration we went into 8 months before. That will not be the case this time.

Every penny of that loss was paid for by SOC, in the form of a gift. Therefore we have accrued no debt as a result.

The RFL are running out of excuses to turn us down. The clubs they picked before us have let them down badly already, and have shown up their criteria as a complete sham and the whole process as a farce.

So no, the RFL will not turn us down, because you fail to understand what the statement on Widnes’ 2008 finances actually mean.

You’re desperately clutching at straws here.