The stats also show he was part of our 3 worst finishes in this division albeit one was as a player so its fair to ignore that one. Ultimatley coaches leave jobs 2 ways, either move on to something better or get sacked. Grix got something better and he has been a part of the mess that is happening at Hull and as a double whammy he left us with a squad that was way past its sell by date but the writing was on the wall about that even with the 1895 win.

Aye remember who dug it it up again and back to the old copy and paste.

What is ironic someone mentioned scapegoats earlier but it seems they need someone to blame and pass judgement on more than anyone with the same ones liking and laughing along with the posts whether it's aimed at the Board, the coach a player.

And if anyone thinks they can do a better job or supply the money so someone else can then do so.

If not then don't be critical and come out with all this I would have done that, they should have done this after the event when those that do try the best they can.

Stats are taken as a percentage across the full period and not based on just the worst figures even though I know that’s what you always like to focus on and mention 3 years and then knock one off because he wasn’t the coach is laughable.

That's precisely the point even though they know about them and have enjoyed the good times the same people never mention his successes, it's like they never happened or it must have been down to someone else.

Such a massive rumpus that goes on for years when a player leaves who they would have kept only they are mentioned.

Never a comment that he was the one who identified them and brought them here in the first place or the about face logic that a coach any coach would sign a player he rated only to then use them as a scapegoat and him about to the point that he left.

Never a thought to those he brought in who have been good signings and stayed.

Like the comment on what's happening at Hull, you have no idea of what went wrong yet choose to implicate Simon Grix but if you read anything about it or listen to any professional commentary on the real cause of the problems none of them mention Simon Grix.

As before how much first hand knowledge do you have of how many players were approached and we tried to sign or how they were managed whilst here?

What’s described in typical critical fashion as “failure” was in fact down to being outbid or they decided not to come.

Players coming and going for those and other reasons happens every year to every coach and every club, are they all failures and poor at man management then or is it just Fax.

It’s already happened in the recruitment drive for next season an example is Joe Keyes leaving after being offered a good contract extension but being outbid by Bradford by an amount we simply couldn’t match.

As a replacement we tried to sign Meadows from London and Riley Dean to replace him but again we were outbid by Bradford and cash splashing Oldham.

Both those and several others before when RD was here were down to money and choice and nothing to do with failure or lack of understanding contracts, on the latter RD had IC giving some support at times along the way.

How much expertise do you have of coaching, man management, contracts etc and how much of it is based first hand during Grix time here or currently to make a qualified assessment of be judgemental about?

I get that you and LU are big Grix fans and its fine but other people hold different opinions as well. One of my opinions is that Fax under Grix played some of the worst rugby I have seen in my 40 odd years of watching Fax at the back end of his tenure. His failure to address obviously problems in the squad lead to a team that had gone stale and the same was said about his coaching but its no real surprise, 3 or 4 years tends to be around the maximum we see coaches stay at teams.

I can't say I am overly pleased with Finn either but I will wait till next season to make judgement because he got dealt the hand that Grix gave him along with a football manager who didnt know his from his elbow when it came to playing contracts. The odds were more than stacked against him.

100% agree with all that,including respecting different views,it's a forum..for me that play off defeat to York was a watershed game,when all Grix's ducks lined up and we failed miserably to a team we'd just beaten twice.All that,first 6 games dont matter,we cant play winter football bollx etc..things should have changed then after a long hard review but carried on in same vein and left Finn with the poison chalice he'd manufactured..

Well again you get it Wrong 100%. I don't care who or what it is about just simply a big fan of seeing a balanced commentary of events based on factual knowledge of what's being talked about from someone who knows what there talking about rather than a one sided biased running commentary that sounds like some sort of extremist propaganda where an opinion or view has now become a judgement.

As before, after the event everything that went wrong past present and future was down to Grix and everything that went right wasn't but if you can do a better job then go and do it but if not with a blank CV of your own don't presume to sit in judgement of those that try to.

Sorry but more contradictions just to fit the same old story line.

So Grix has a team with the same ducks lined up that over the course of a matter of weeks in the same season beats another team twice but in the third game loses because Joe Keyes hits the post from a penalty from a field position he had kicked a dozen times previously.

That's not just sport of course it's miserable failure down to Grix

Grix first six game comment is yet another well known aspect of sport that you simply either don't understand or if you do want to twist the meaning.

Point 1. Every coach, player, supporter wants to win every game but don't expect to do so with the ups and downs in form across the season, what he was simply saying is that if you don't start well then all is not lost and the importance shifts to how well you can finish that will count but even then the very nature of sport means nothing can be guaranteed.

Point 2. The winter comment was said based on the squad he had which was more suited to a dry track than a winter one and the winter results showed that to be the case and connecting both comments we finished better than we started eventually losing to another good side in the play offs by the narrowest of margins which again is what happens week in week out in sport.

In connection with that no club at our level have squads big enough to be at the same strength in winter as in summer it's another well known aspect of the sport that everyone who knows the game will have heard being said.

Just one example, Fev beat Wakefield on a mud bath but got ripped apart on the dry try tracks.

Especially to start with you are either weighted with the bigger plodders or with the smaller mobile guys and later you may try and bring in some size or speed as the season goes on depending on your needs, finances and availability either by direct signings, loans or DR's that's simply just how the game is now we're not back in the 70's 80' or any other by gone era.

Apart from that how does Finn inheriting everything from Grix explain some of his signings and his team selections which have been just as much a headscratcher without receiving the same amount of criticism from the same ones who continue to give it out to Grix?

All that being said though the bottom line is you chose to start this all by bringing up Springer and Doro again years later after the Doncaster game which whilst not amounting to lying about someone or something, whether it's dressed up as an opinion, judgement or whatever it's based on ignorance of the events and amounts to a total misrepresentation of the facts concerning the people involved and named by you which is simply wrong and untrue, that's what I object to.

Faxcar ........... calm down.

Just view other peoples' opinions as "observations" rather than "criticisms".

That's correct and i accept his counter arguments but firmly disagree on most of them other than dredging up things that i maybe shouldn't...we are where we are and i'm also hardly impressed with Finn and what next year may bring...

Yeh right I knew it wouldn’t be long before the old smoke screen of it’s a Forum, it’s just an opinion and we can say what we like about anyone and anything behind there backs.
Don’t worry if it’s not true I can still sit in judgement of others they have no rights it’s ours that count and the little club of 3 can all like each other’s posts.
It doesn’t matter that an opinion has double standards and judging people differently on the very same criteria isn’t discrimination.

Like it or not that’s my opinion / observations of this crew based on years of experience on here and I await the next victim because for a certainty there will be someone.

For what it is worth i thought Will Maher was a cracking signing and we should never of got rid.

Everything is going to differ depending on who you hear it from and the reality usually ends up been somewhere in the middle. Im willing to bet money that there are some players who thought Grix was a fantastic coach but I know for certain there are some experienced players who were here in his time that thought he was a terible coach, just one example although there are plenty more, ask QLT what he thinks of Grix as a person and a coach and I would bet its polar opposite to what someone like say Ben Tibbs thinks of him. Similar I'm sure there might be people out there who thought our new BOD did a great job, afterall we were told on here by some how good it were going to be with the new regime. I think its fair to say now that a lot of us disagree with that but it is just opinions.

Yep, Ryan King was another who wasn't getting picked before he left, but he's always been outstanding for Haven every time he played against us. Lazy in training, maybe, but you can't fault his commitment as he's currently playing for nothing with an injured knee in a seemingly hopeless situation. It's all about perception, innit?

Lots of people have opinions, whether they’re based on actual facts is another matter.