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Quote: Dan155 "Yep, but it surely means the effect of expansion teams on the crowds in finals is being over exaggerated. The fact that were having this debate anyway proves that people have felt the need to side step the issue of Catalan's home crowds, which are larger than those of Fax, Leigh and Widnes the last time those three teams were in Superleague. Not to mention the excellent 18,000 crowd they got in Barcelona. Superleague was never intended to be the Yorks & Lancs League, it was founded with the intention of being a top level European competition.

And for the record, Toulouse should have to qualify for a grand final like everyone else.'"



Catalans are a great success and i applaud expansion when its realistic and when its beneficial to the `greatest game` but Quins and Crusaders are not and will never be a valid reason to keep the likes of Widnes (who should already be in SL IMO), Fax, Leigh and even Barrow (if they sorted the stadia) out of the top flight!

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Quote: faxlad66 "Catalans are a great success and i applaud expansion when its realistic and when its beneficial to the `greatest game` but Quins and Crusaders are not and will never be a valid reason to keep the likes of Widnes (who should already be in SL IMO), Fax, Leigh and even Barrow if they sorted the stadia out!'"


Hear hear.

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Quote: Dan155 "Yep, but it surely means the effect of expansion teams on the crowds in finals is being over exaggerated. The fact that were having this debate anyway proves that people have felt the need to side step the issue of Catalan's home crowds, which are larger than those of Fax, Leigh and Widnes the last time those three teams were in Superleague. Not to mention the excellent 18,000 crowd they got in Barcelona. Superleague was never intended to be the Yorks & Lancs League, it was founded with the intention of being a top level European competition.

And for the record, Toulouse should have to qualify for a grand final like everyone else.'"



That game in Barcelona is what the game of RL does best - exaggerate a crowd for the publicity.
Why?
Well when I was in Toulouse last year I met a guy from Leicester (an adopted Wigan fan) on our flight home to East Midlands airport and he went to that match and he said no way there was that many there he estimated 13,000 tops.
Good I agree but mostly freebies and people who went for the novelty of the stadium in most cases he said. Remember that first Paris crowd and their last???
I rest mycase.
Don't forget like the 2 Crusaders crowds so far you can print the number of 'issued tickets' even if they don't attend.
Maybe we should do it just inflate our crowds to 'tick the box', lots of people are doing it now.

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Quote: faxlad66 "Catalans are a great success and i applaud expansion when its realistic and when its beneficial to the `greatest game` but Quins and Crusaders are not and will never be a valid reason to keep the likes of Widnes (who should already be in SL IMO), Fax, Leigh and even Barrow (if they sorted the stadia) out of the top flight!'"



Maybe not based on their results this year so far but at least it is in a heartland of RL.
Unlike Toulouse = RU country.

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Quote: Fax4Life "That game in Barcelona is what the game of RL does best - exaggerate a crowd for the publicity.
Why?
Well when I was in Toulouse last year I met a guy from Leicester (an adopted Wigan fan) on our flight home to East Midlands airport and he went to that match and he said no way there was that many there he estimated 13,000 tops.
Good I agree but mostly freebies and people who went for the novelty of the stadium in most cases he said. Remember that first Paris crowd and their last???
I rest mycase.
Don't forget like the 2 Crusaders crowds so far you can print the number of 'issued tickets' even if they don't attend.
Maybe we should do it just inflate our crowds to 'tick the box', lots of people are doing it now.'"



Widnes are great at doing this sort of thing icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Fax4Life "Maybe not based on their results this year so far but at least it is in a heartland of RL.
Unlike Toulouse

Four of the top six French Rugby Union sides are from that same area, Castres, Toulouse, Perpignan (where Catalans are based), Clermont, hardly Rugby League hotbed!

If you look at the top division over half of the 14 are from the South West of France with Brive, Montauban, Montpellier and Biarritz to name a few and you've even got Toulon on the south coast just along from these.

It's a Rugby Union Hotbed in that area, not league.

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Quote: billyfax "Four of the top six French Rugby Union sides are from that same area, Castres, Toulouse, Perpignan (where Catalans are based), Clermont, hardly Rugby League hotbed!

If you look at the top division over half of the 14 are from the South West of France with Brive, Montauban, Montpellier and Biarritz to name a few and you've even got Toulon on the south coast just along from these.

It's a Rugby Union Hotbed in that area, not league.'"



Didn't realise that mate tbh.
I guess that Catalans get rugby fans not just RU fans maybe???
It makes an even bigger mockery of letting Crusaders move to the north of Wales where its not even a RU hotbed its football.
I think putting another French team in SL would be a disaster as they cannot sustain two clubs in SL, there was not many people at the game in Toulouse last year if you took away the Fax fans.

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Didn't realise that mate tbh.
I guess that Catalans get fans who are not just RU fans but rugby fans maybe???
It makes an even bigger mockery of letting Crusaders move to the north of Wales where its not even a RU hotbed its football.
I think putting another French team in SL would be a disaster as they cannot sustain two clubs in SL, there was not many people at the game in Toulouse last year if you took away the Fax fans.

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Yes I was there , not been since , wont be going again until 2021 when leigh are due to win it again , if les Cats get there this year it will be a sub 60 K crowd , despite the RFL offering cheap tickets already

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am i missing something here? why don't Catalan and Toulouse get together to form a strong "french" league? they do nothing to enhance the England team and do i really care if France have a good rugby league setup?

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Quote: Diggerslad "am i missing something here? why don't Catalan and Toulouse get together to form a strong "french" league? they do nothing to enhance the England team and do i really care if France have a good rugby league setup?'"


Yes, your missing something. Two teams (the only two teams in France capable of going professional) cannot make a League. We have a Rugby League World Cup coming up in 2013, which will always been seen as a joke unless there are more competitive international sides.

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Quote: Dan155 "Yes, your missing something. Two teams (the only two teams in France capable of going professional) cannot make a League. We have a Rugby League World Cup coming up in 2013, which will always been seen as a joke unless there are more competitive international sides.'"


So why not let their 'weaker' clubs do what we're doing and have unlimited imports to make their teams and thus leagues stronger. After all, it works over her, right? eusa_wall.gif

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Quote: Dan155 "Yes, your missing something. Two teams (the only two teams in France capable of going professional) cannot make a League. We have a Rugby League World Cup coming up in 2013, which will always been seen as a joke unless there are more competitive international sides.'"


How will a team being added in 2012 help the World Cup in 2013?

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Quote: Dan155 "Yes, your missing something. Two teams (the only two teams in France capable of going professional) cannot make a League. We have a Rugby League World Cup coming up in 2013, which will always been seen as a joke unless there are more competitive international sides.'"



Yer but how does 2 teams full of Aussies and Kiwis help the game in France???

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& there was me thinking that the expanisionists (at all costs) & rfl apologists were all deaf from the sound of the drawbridge/door shutting behind them.........

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