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| Quote: Malfax "As someone who is close to the club, I can tell you that it is very disappointing for us in the office to come in the day after a loss, and, remain positive and try to "Sell Halifax RLFC." It's even more disappointing to read some of the posts on this web site. Knocking the players helps nobody.
Rumours about why we are losing, for example Martin Hall hasn't left the club, he's actually taking advantage of school holidays to go on holiday with his family in Mexico.
The players are very upset, just like the rest of us, and, yes I get very upset.
It's a difficult time, but to read some of the things posted doesn't help.
Infering that this is the worst season ever is just stupid. I think this is one of the best seasons I've attended.
Lose by a single point to a Super League Castleford,and, being applauded by the Cas fans has got to be good.
If you think after losing four games that sacking the coach and the board is the way to go, we'll never achieve anything.
We should all be doing everything we can to help our players. See you all at Batley.
Malcolm P'"
Well said Mal...doesnt matter whether its today or next year, there will always be negative feedback cos thats the nature of people with sport. A slight down turn and its sack the coach etc. The fortunate situation is that most people try to remain positive. We must all stay focused and hope that the team and all concerned turn the corner ASAP. Im sure that we can still win the Grand final even if its the hard way.
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| i think Chris the purpose of Mal's post is probably to try and reassure us there is nothing going on that we need to know about behind the scenes, other than we have lost form and people are working on it.
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| Quote: faxlad66 "Well said Mal...doesnt matter whether its today or next year, there will always be negative feedback cos thats the nature of people with sport. A slight down turn and its sack the coach etc. The fortunate situation is that most people try to remain positive. We must all stay focused and hope that the team and all concerned turn the corner ASAP. Im sure that we can still win the Grand final even if its the hard way.'"
I agree. The only problem is a downward spiral. Lack of confidence means a poor performance and a poor performance means a further dent in confidence.. on and on...
I hope they can snap out of it soon and get back to the players they were before the Widnes semi-final game.
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| Quote: chris_smith "I understand some of the sentiments in your post Mal, however effort and pride in my opinion have been lacklustre to say the least and for me it isn't about defeat, its how we lose or go about losing. The Whitehaven game was an utter shambles and the last 15 minutes of the game meerly in my opinion papered over the cracks and one of the worst and lazy performances of recent years.
It may only be four games on the bounce we have lost but is still 6 out of the last 8 games. But the manner of our defeat in these games or should I say the manner in which we have rolled over is my biggest issue. I have witnessed first hand players apparent disregard for their fans. I agree in the heat of the moment we all say and do rash things, we can all be guilty of that. The club makes great strides forward but failsm to deliver when it matters (so far). The fans are crying out for success, Hull KR fans had been in the doldrums for 12 years and more but when the club got on a more professional footing, by god did they deliver with aplumb. We sort of lit the fuse paper and have fizzled out as we are now.
Our coach though has failed in 99% of the games this year to get his side to play basic, error free and disciplined rugby league. He has failed to get the team to perform back to back performances. His squad selection at times leaves me baffled. However he has delivered a brand of exciting rugby. Would I swap this for professional performances when it matters . . . . . . . Hell Yes. We should have been at the NRC final, we should be clear at the top of the league, we should be looking foward to a Grand Final appearance based on our league form. Yes it is a competitive league I agree but are we really that poor to lose to some of the teams in the manner we have?
I can turn around and say the players are gutted, the players are upset etc, etc. The couple I spoke to after Whitehaven didn't appear too gutted and to be honest seemed put out at the fact that fans were speaking to them when they clearly only came to watch the Hudds V Saints semi on the screen in the South Stand Lounge. That to me is totally unacceptable.
I personally feel on reflection having thought about the last few weeks that Calland has come unstuck and due to him learning his trade has perhaps taken it the team as far as he can. Now I'm not saying that he has got to be sacked but I do think he needs an "old head" to take some of the reins from him, support him and install some fresh impetus into the training and psychological aspects of the game. You don't shut the door once the horse has bolted and this could be the case for this season unfortunately if we wait for things to repair themselves. We could be at the start of next season, no further forward, no boxes ticked and fans again disillushioned.
We hear rumours and fables of teams "off field" shananigans and I have been told personally by people within the club about some incidents. I always say there is no smoke without fire, especially when we have a coach who has been convicted previously for wrong doings. Does/Did he deserve a 2nd chance? . . . . . . Yes I think everyone does.
However what is happening is compromising performance, relationships or motivation then the club need to do something about it and quickly. I'm not always one for airing your dirty laundry but sometimes a club needs to be bold and say there are issues and we are sorting them. I think the club should release a statement apologising for recent performances and offer somehting in return such as discounted addmission for the last game or a bondng session with the players and coaching staff (end of season BBQ or something). I dont think i've ever felt so alienated from a Halifax team as we are now. The coach very rarely speaks to the fans in any capacity, players seem reluctant to speak in the South Stand Lounge and we sell ourselves as a "community" club, when we can't even talk to one another.
Sorry for the rant and I could go on. This is just the tip of the iceberg for what I would like to discuss or how I feel right now
Spot on there Chris. I think thats sums up the feelings of most of the fans i speak to at the moment. All we want is good honest performances and we will get behind them, we always have done and always will, but it has to work both ways. Ball is in your court Fax !
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| i think the balls in both courts. A lot of people haven't been behind them for 4 weeks now. Shouting abuse in Matt Callands face and at a player in the south stand lounge after the game is disgusting. We all need to pull together, for them to put in decent performances we need to be respectful towards them as well. Otherwise its a chicken and egg scenario.
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| To be fair the incident in the South Stand I was privvy to also and came about from an off the cuff remark after said player had dropped his burger on the floor. Shall we say a sarcastic remark relating to not being able to hold onto his rugby ball either. What happened afterwards between the two should NEVER have happened but for a player to want to sort things out in the car park is pretty poor. I also understand they are paid to play rugby but they are ALL still club ambassadors. That fan contributes to the players salary. It doesn't gives us the right to abuse them though I agree. Initially it was banter that desended into abuse and in my opinion the player should have just walked away and not added more flame to the fire. All that has occurred now is player walks away thinking to$$er fans and the supporter thinks the same about the club. This for me is where we need to be a little slicker and get communication movign between the club, players and fans.
But How?
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| well said mal!
its a confidence game and we need that all important win, who knows we could win by a point a batley last min, same as last yr. and go unbeaten again through to end of season, who knows?!
isnt that why we all go down every wk?, to see!
we would all love fax to win every wk a clean sweep all the trophies, but that would be borring, get behind the lads and lets finish strongly, its an anybody can beat anybody league at mo, and we just need that 1 win!
nice to see goddard back on scoresheet last nite aswell
see you at batley, im not giving up just yet!!!!!
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| Well thats the difficult part but silly behavior needs to be stamped out. From my perspective perhaps players and fans should avoid the bar after the game if wound up. i did hear it started as a joke although it sounds as though it hit a nerve, but such things shouldn't escalate by either fans or players.
As for how to improve communication? I suppose we need to get back on track, we support the players and get behind them for 80 minutes, and they in return play for 80 minutes. We all have a common goal to achieve so lets achieve it together!
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| People are entitled their own opinion, and Mal has his, thats fine by me, hes a good bloke that has the best interests at heart and sounds to be personally stung.
We all want the Club to succeed, its worth noting that players, coaches, officials and others come and go, the FANS stay, so i think if we see things we dont think are right, we have a voice and forum for that. I cant tell you how much i've spent over the years, like most fans.
We want to see the club moving forward, a team that gives its all, players that are proud of the shirt they wear, anyone thats been watching recently knows if they all showed the effort and desire of James Haley, we would be fine.
The people that run the club choose to be there, they are rewarded on the whole with wages they find satisfactory, or else they would leave. If I am not peforming at work my boss halls me over the carpet, i could lose my job, it generally doesn't matter that i was great 6 months ago, A Rugby Club is successfull by its results on the pitch, its success, its position in the league, the silveware it wins, but mostly it succeeds because it has fans who pay money to watch them.
We should under no circumstances shy away from honesty, opinions, praise or critcism. Without Fans from all walks and of all opinions there is no club to run.
Thank you for reading, and come on the Fax, whoever they may be.
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| Quote: justthebasicfax "People are entitled their own opinion, and Mal has his, thats fine by me, hes a good bloke that has the best interests at heart and sounds to be personally stung.
We all want the Club to succeed, its worth noting that players, coaches, officials and others come and go, the FANS stay, so i think if we see things we dont think are right, we have a voice and forum for that. I cant tell you how much i've spent over the years, like most fans.
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But fans come and go too, as we know! So we are all equal in this equation and i don't think anyone has a problem with praise, criticism or whatever but perhaps the way it is sometimes presented
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| Quote: faxfan "But fans come and go too, as we know! So we are all equal in this equation and i don't think anyone has a problem with praise, criticism or whatever but perhaps the way it is sometimes presented'"
True Halifax Fans its a disease..
RESULTS are doing more talking than abusive people who watch Halifax, the equation is simple.
Dont give them easy to moan about is the best course of action, they pay their money to get in too.
I would guess people in the club are a little shell shocked themselves about whats happened. If they are not i would be very very concerned indeed.
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| I am sorry Malfax that you like everybody else are upset at recent performances etc. I appreciate you are trying to rally call to all supporters to stick with the team because you are close to the club and believe me everything in the garden is rosy. We have only lost four matches in our losing sequence and hey Castleford supporters think were great so need to worry GF here we come! I don,t know how close to the club you are but in my long history of supporting the club the time to really worry is when the club say nothing is wrong. Supporters don't have a devine right to know all the in's and out's of the club and its management but I honestly feel we deserve more than what is currently being offered i.e. the present situation is just a blip and when we turn the corner god help the rest. The run of poor performances goes back way longer than 4 matches - when was the last time time we played well for 80minutes. Rumours currently doing the rounds are that we are skint again and have not paid the stadium rent for months! Equally serious are the rumours of alcohol abuse, poor behaviour andantisocial activity need to be investigated because they are totally unacceptable and should under no circumstances be condoned. Why has the squad not been strengthened mid season? Tactics? Fitness levels? Defence shortcomings? Playing certain players outside their usual position and even when they play poorly they still retain their place in the next match etc etc. I could live with a bit more information from the club in these matters. Maybe the club could have a Q&A session. If not face to face or perhaps on the website. Most supporters just want regular reassurance that what we see from the terraces is being noted by those in charge.
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| I think I am not unreasonable and I think most people are of the same mind. All I want is players to put 100% in on the field as well as off it.
I want players AND Coaching Staff to not go out drinking 24 hours before a game or during ANY comp!
The Head Coach to set a good example for his players and the Players and Coach to set a good example to youngsters by behaving themselves and not getting legless as is the case this season.
For the Head Coach to not have a name for being a big drinker
For the team to go out and defend. Much of that is down to commitment and pride for me. Players should know how to tackle by now-its basics.
For the team to be able to do the basics of Catching,Tackling and Passing 99% of the time-We all make mistakes so do not expect perfection.
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| To be fair i don't think anyone has said they have seen players out drinking 24 hours before a game
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| Blaming the fans is not the answer.
No, this is not the worst season ever by a very long way. There have been some great moments. However, I can say that in well over 30 years I have never seen a team play so far below what it is capable of as this one.
The most I ask from any team or anyone is that they give it their best shot. No one can tell me that this is currently happening. We have the best squad in the league and anything close to reasonable effort would not have resulted in four straight losses.
Conceding 50 points at home and gaining a bonus point is not good enough. The player who made that comment to Chris Smith should just leave now - that is a loser's mentality.
I will not be giving up on the team nor will I be abusing them. There are, however, a few of the players who clearly need their egos bursting.
A great situation has been wasted but we are not finished. We can still reach our goal. But come on it's down to the coach and players to win the fans respect back. One good win at Batley and we'll suddenly be a band of brothers again.
Halifax RLFC? It's not dead, it just smells funny!
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