In a licence system rich yes, but we dont have that system anymore, no club needs to be ' locked into ' a commitment to bancrupt itself anymore, every club can and should pay its way to the level it can afford

The challenge to the clubs is to raise its level constantly, it really is that simple

You think Faxcar? Don't mean to offend Mr Abbott or anyone, just saying it as I see it!

Tell me, since the Shay sale didn't come off, what news/advertising/contact with the fans have you seen?

I have nowhere mentioned where I think the club have been honest or dishonest and don't claim to know anything, just an observation is all.

Maybe you can put your vitriol to one side and answer the question I really asked, would you prefer brutal honesty, moral raising spin or complete silence?

If we had played one of the poorer teams in SL like Bradord or London we could well have caused a shock today.

Is he? So rumours of him wanting to walk away a few weeks back were not true.

Personally If I were the club I would be preparing for when he walks not if.

Every club should prepare for when their owner leaves. This is exactly why super league is built on sand, bar three or four clubs.

There is a lot if sense in my friend Mr Starbug's words

Yes I do think so seeing as you are so fond of brutal honesty.

Or is it vitriol when someone else says something you don't like.

An observation based on no knowledge of the subject "you think he only wanted the Shay, is or has used spin".

Last year alone he put £100,000 of his own money into the club which had nothing to do with the sale of the Shay or spin.

He hardly had banner headlines to advertise that fact, maybe he just goes quietly about his business.

He didn't go round wanting hero status but he hardly deserves unfounded accusations as a thank you.

I would rather you keep silent rather than that.

Fair play Faxcar. I hold my hands up. Mr Abbott has done lots for the club - I appreciate it and have said so on many occasions. Reading it back, my comment about the shay was put across badly, it was more an indication of how things can be interpreted when there is silence from the club - you know, people can put two and two together and make five! You were right to tear me a new one!

I personally feel the club should be banging the drum, not being brutally honest. Paying punters through the gates is what counts now. Look whats happening at Leigh and what's been happening at Featherstone. Just a bit of that would be great'

It comes down to how you interpret banging the drum or saying things.

Just going on the "Money Talks" apart from the £100,000 grand above.

The club have said the BOD and friends of Fax have invested heavily in the club for this season.

They have said it is their goal to try as hard as they can to finish in the top two.

Backing that up by words and deeds they have recruited many players who have had SL experience and or are among the best available at this level.

It was stated in last weeks RL press they were in negotiations with another player and you can bet he will be of the same standard if they can pull it off.

They knew about Robs issue and quickly moved to fill the gap by getting Tommy from Rovers for the first month, then the second and must have been working hard last week to get him for longer, the fact he played yesterday proves this and if they get a chance will sign him permanently which can only be good for the club.

The supporters trust handed over another £5000 yesterday for the under 20's who are improving week on week and had a big win on the Saturday.

All this is saying plenty and there will be a lot more going on that we do not know about and I don't really know how they could give a running commentary on everything that they are doing to be honest.

The crowds are a real concern and will definitely have a major impact on how much progress we can make, they know this as well as anybody but how can you force people to come?

Those at the game yesterday gave the lads full support from the first minute to the last and it was good to be there and I will be telling everyone who will listen to come on down but then it will be up to them.

It was only last season when ideas thought up and backed by him and the BOD won us the club of the year for innovation but ever since he gets stoned to death because of "The Shay Sale" issue.

In spite of all he has factually done TA and some of his family have been the subject of constant negative remarks ranging from the vile extreme to the odd dig based on speculation and guesswork.

Would we be surprised if he walked away.

I don't want to do or say anything that I know nothing about that could have a part in that happening and I may overreact when I hear or read anything that could be damaging to the club.

Have we not learned anything from the treatment and reaction of a previous owner.

Faxcar, I agree wholeheartedly with all you say, particular when it involves avoiding "doing a Gartland" with Tony. I'm on record here and on social media saying the same.

The title of the thread is silence and you asked about interpreting "banging the drum"

The whole point is interpretation and perception. Do you think Leigh's squad is stronger than ours? - probably not. Do their BOD put as much money in as Halifax's? - probably not. Are their sponsorship deals really that much better than everyone else's? - probably not. Is their coach more experienced than ours? - probably not. But, reading the rugby league press and the RL community buying into Leigh banging their drum, the perception is they are a better club than us. And guess what? Their crowds are rising! The perception of Halifax at the moment, outside of the club, is we can't pay our rent!

We, as fans who engage and make the effort to communicate with the club, know the club BOD do a fantastic job and the club is moving forward but who else does? Are Leigh really that much better than us?

We send a fella to Sydney to see how things are done over there and he disappears and all goes silent. We have, as you say a great squad are playing some great rugby and looking strong. But who else knows?

I don't want to row and think maybe we misunderstood each other and both are coming from the same place! Sorry if I offended you!

"I don't want to row and think maybe we misunderstood each other and both are coming from the same place! Sorry if I offended you!"

That sums it up Freddie and you did not offend me at all.

I did use the term "mate" in my first post as in just two people strongly expressing their thoughts concerns etc like over a beer.

The challenge ahead is massive and I just hope we can keep everyone on board.

Are Fax the Carlsberg team of Rugby League

Probably NOT .Charlie knows , see ya all on Sunday .

Faxcar, your earlier post is almost completely irrelivant to the work the club and its directors should be doing, all too often it is the playing side ( player/coach recruitment/paying of contracts ) that is the focus to the detriment of actually looking at the club as a bona fida ' profit making business

Once the coach and any relevant football/rugby/playing Director is given their budget, then essentially the BOD s on pitch job is done, from then on their real work should be starting and that is growing the clubs income streams , be they long term or short term, quite often the reason this doesnt happen is because they ( Directors ) have already over committed to the playing budget and nobody wants to do the ' boring ' business stuff, or pay for it

As I put earlier THE most important decision should be the allocation 1 st and foremost of your marketing budget before you cough up every last penny to the coach for the big prop and fast winger

Then and only then will you as a club start to see progress