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| So both teams had some good young prospects on show!
Both teams seemed to give it all on their 1st run out of the year!
Both teams have players to come into the starting 17 plus probably still new faves to be added to the squads.
It was a good game that could have gone either way, right to the death.
I left full of confidence that the new players KH has added to especially the ball playing positions I out team will go into to course more than a few problems for our opponents.
We've got a star in Ben Johnston, he was head and shoulders above anything that Cas had in the halves yesterday. Maybe the Cas fans should be asking why young players like him have been replaced by ageing ones like Dorn/Finn?!
All in all KH will be a lot happier than DP and I'm sure us Fax fans a lot happier than the Cas!
We have a good shot next year of seeing silverware and have a miles better facility then the one we visited yesterday! Rather than trying to patronise and saying that Cas had a second team out I would be looking at Cas as a whole!
Anyway I'm looking forward to the new season!
Hopefully Cas fans can say the same!?!
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| Quote: Fully "Congratulations for posting a small summary, which reinforces what I've said.
"are to a degree" and "proposed". To a degree implies that not all of the application was based on a new stadium but we illustrated the projections that we felt we could achieve should the new stadium go ahead.
"Proposed" - A mooted idea put forward but by no means guaranteed.
As I said, the new stadium was always based on us self-funding it and not relying on handouts from councils. The economy crashed in 2007 (care to remember), which meant that the land was no longer sufficient enough for housing as it wouldn't provide enough cash for us.
There was a blast licence in place from Hicksons which had to be removed before any application could be made for Wheldon Rd and this took several years to remove from our council.
And then, when we arranged for a supermarket to buy the stadium, their focus changed meaning that they were no longer willing to commit to buying the land at a speed we needed.
There have been a lot of factors outside of our control with the new stadium but only the naïve would accept that this was the ONLY criteria determining licences in Super League. I understand to an extent your bitterness but take a look at your club 3/4 years ago and be honest - did it really have the infrastructure in place to overtake someone like Cas (if I remember rightly you didn't have an academy?). Never in my book.
In fact, why don't we look at the good of Cas - our youth production? Our limited reliance on overseas players in comparison to other clubs...oh, and the fact we haven't got into financial issues unlike Bradford, Wakefield, London and Salford..
Never mind. Apologies for the thread drift but this 'you lied'+'stadia misconception' really gets on my goat from people who haven't a foggiest.'"
Sorry but this is what the hated Licence system creates, our annoyance is with the system as it creates lies and deceit at worst and at best a manipulation of the facts by SL clubs while Championship clubs have to stick to the rules or else.
Fat Controller has total control so clubs like Cas say what he wants to hear and that ticks the box, regards Academies you may not know this but at our level there is no money to run one and I believe the RFL don't let clubs outside SL run one anyway as believe it or not we get rock all from the RFL (the Premier Sports TV deal is of no financial benefit) so this means it is an unfair comparison.
Anyway good luck for next season and hopefully we will be joining you in SL in the near future.
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| Fully. It was the original patronising tone of your first post I was reacting to. Sounded like a super league fan who arrogantly thought his club should smash a "minnow" and then dreaming up excuses.
Take some time to research the restraints the RFL have put on championship clubs before commenting. We have no academy cos we are not allowed to run one by the RFL. Our salary cap is less than 20% that of a super league and our overseas quota is one, but yet you still get knocked out of the challenge cup by championship clubs. Our tv deal involves us getting £0 and playing our highest profile games at silly o'clock on a Thursday evening, affecting what would be our biggest attendances. All the money we have to spend has to be generated by the club. If we want to apply for a licence, we have to cover licence criteria better than super league clubs - I give you Bradford, London, Salford, Crusaders, Wakefield.
The gap between bottom super league clubs and top championship clubs is so narrow, you would see it if you cared to look. In my opinion, Featherstone are a better club now than 5 or 6 clubs in super league, your own included. Sheffield have a cracking set up on such small gates. These clubs certainly deserve more respect than to be coerced into becoming "feeder" clubs to failing super league clubs. Thing is, championship clubs will never get into super league because of the restraints put on them by the very executive board that should be encouraging the growth, development and upward movement of ALL the clubs it represents. That is why fans of championship clubs are p****d off and gates are falling.
If you want to discuss this massive part of our game, go do some research, outside of super league, and we will be glad to discuss it. Bet you end up as frustrated and worried about the SPORT as we are.
Rant over
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| Quote: freddies wig "Fully. It was the original patronising tone of your first post I was reacting to. Sounded like a super league fan who arrogantly thought his club should smash a "minnow" and then dreaming up excuses.
Take some time to research the restraints the RFL have put on championship clubs before commenting. We have no academy cos we are not allowed to run one by the RFL. Our salary cap is less than 20% that of a super league and our overseas quota is one, but yet you still get knocked out of the challenge cup by championship clubs. Our tv deal involves us getting £0 and playing our highest profile games at silly o'clock on a Thursday evening, affecting what would be our biggest attendances. All the money we have to spend has to be generated by the club. If we want to apply for a licence, we have to cover licence criteria better than super league clubs - I give you Bradford, London, Salford, Crusaders, Wakefield.
The gap between bottom super league clubs and top championship clubs is so narrow, you would see it if you cared to look. In my opinion, Featherstone are a better club now than 5 or 6 clubs in super league, your own included. Sheffield have a cracking set up on such small gates. Thing is, championship clubs will never get into super league because of the restraints put on them by the very executive board that should be encouraging the growth, development and upward movement of ALL the clubs it represents. That is why fans of championship clubs are p****d off and gates are falling.
If you want to discuss this massive part of our game, go do some research, outside of super league, and we will be glad to discuss it. Bet you end up as frustrated and worried about the SPORT as we are.
Rant over'"
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| Quote: halifaxjohn "Blimey a quote without mentioning which pub your in and what strength beer your drinking, mind you as erudite as usual.
Not mentioned Mrs Hudd-Shay for a while!
Erudite? I don't know if that is a compliment or an insult, i will have to look it up. Lol. Any road, Richard Oastlar, Brighouse, Acorn Winter Pale Ale 4.5% Mmm! Mrs Hudd-Shay at home making turkey curry! Back to the Cas game we really enjoyed it but how on earth does that ground pass the dreaded H&S rules?
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| Part quote.
"It was the original patronising tone of your first post I was reacting to. Sounded like a super league fan who arrogantly thought his club should smash a "minnow" and then dreaming up excuses."
Whether or not there was arrogance in the the post it gets much worse than that Freddie.
The last time I was on the Wigan forum debating the IL stance.
Namely.
"I want all the money for Super League and the Championship clubs should get nothing approach", to a man it was IL is right no matter what and screw everyone else.
One person referred to the Championship clubs including Halifax as "fleas on the dogs back" and such clubs bring nothing to the game so deserve nothing from it so how dare they dictate to the mighty Super League.
What chance have you got to reason with people who think like that.
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| What IL is complaining about has nothing to do with Championship clubs. The massive problem in the game lies squarely with SL. In a nutshell - they can't afford full time rugby. Simple as that.
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| Quote: Hudd-Shay "Erudite? I don't know if that is a compliment or an insult, i will have to look it up. Lol. Any road, Richard Oastlar, Brighouse, Acorn Winter Pale Ale 4.5% Mmm! Mrs Hudd-Shay at home making turkey curry! Back to the Cas game we really enjoyed it but how on earth does that ground pass the dreaded H&S rules?'"
It's a compliment
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| Quote: Fully "Congratulations for posting a small summary, which reinforces what I've said.
"are to a degree" and "proposed". To a degree implies that not all of the application was based on a new stadium but we illustrated the projections that we felt we could achieve should the new stadium go ahead.
In fact, why don't we look at the good of Cas - our youth production? Our limited reliance on overseas players in comparison to other clubs...oh, and the fact we haven't got into financial issues unlike Bradford, Wakefield, London and Salford..
Never mind. Apologies for the thread drift but this 'you lied'+'stadia misconception' really gets on my goat from people who haven't a foggiest.'"
While I am in no way suggesting that Leigh, or Fax for that matter are in a position to enter SL, you must see the frustration of the lower tiers, your application was judged not purely against Wheldon Rd, but against a proposal, while the RFL refused to accept an 80% completed LSV on the day the decision was made, they had even toured the stadium at 65% a couple of months earlier
No you didnt ' lie ' , but that part of your application should have been removed, similarily with others
The answer to all this? No idea
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| Quote: littlerich "What IL is complaining about has nothing to do with Championship clubs. The massive problem in the game lies squarely with SL. In a nutshell - they can't afford full time rugby. Simple as that.'"
Yes, and rearranging the deckchairs wont solve it either
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| And if the Halifax financial projections were "speculative" what the hell were Bradford's and Salford's?
Licensing was an instrument used by greedy club Chairmen to secure long term Sky funds by de-risking their tenure in a top league. The fact that it's all come crashing down says more about their stupidity than anything.
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| Let's not forget it was also a fall back to ensure crusaders got into super league in case all the rule bending didn't work in their favour!
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| 'And if the Halifax financial projections were "speculative" what the hell were Bradford's and Salford's?
Licensing was an instrument used by greedy club Chairmen to secure long term Sky funds by de-risking their tenure in a top league. The fact that it's all come crashing down says more about their stupidity than anything.'
Spot on littlerich AND let's not forget the idiots at RFL HQ who signed it all off.You know, those people who are custodians of the game and provide strategic leadership and vision!!!!!!
The sooner we get back to P&R the better for us all.
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| We need to get rid of Wood and his cronies. The alarm bells should have rung after his time at Halifax
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| Quote: freddies wig "We need to get rid of Wood and his cronies. The alarm bells should have rung after his time at Halifax'"
Agreed but how?
Football would like to get rid of Sepp Blatter, but how.
Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.
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