Yes you can Linda , but watch out for them welsh ' claim jumpers ' , pesky critters

We can but they wont drop anyone else out at that stage, Quins in becuase they are in london, Crusaders in becuase they have to pay back the RFL over 4 years from Sky money so they are dead certs, Salford represent manchester area, catalans becuase they are french, Castleford will be safe if wakey drop due to area,l Wigan, Leeds, Bradford, St helens, Warrington, Huddersfield and both Hulls are drawing the crowds and doing ok so cant see it myself.

3 years or nothing.

I unfortunately agree with you.

Whoever misses out next week will have another 3 year wait. The RFL don't have the balls to drop two Super League Clubs.

Will they ever have the balls to drop another ? is the issue ?

Or is it as I have posted , we're all sitting around like vultures waiting for something to die ?

Starbug, I think that analogy fits the crime the best. Reminds me of a scene from a kids film ice age 2, where all the vultures are singing food glorious food. Well thats now most of us clubs.

But........when they do die a death i am affraid sympathy will be a long time coming as they ( SL clubs ) do not give a rats arris about anyone other than themselves.

You are giving away your age now , I was more thinking ' the Jungle Book ' , and we are the vultures waiting for something/body in SL to die so they can let one of us in , I suppose that will only happen after the RFL have got most of their money back

Try youtube , vultures from the jungle book

Do Fax have a better bid than anyone other than Wakey though? (no point mentioning Cru / Quins).

We just dont know the answer to that one. Without seeing the bid for Salford, Castleford, Hull KR (dont mention the french, welsh or cockneys) we cant really say if our bid is any better.

On the surface the only thing they have which is better is the attendance, which is because they play Superleague teams week in week out and dont have to add in attendances such as Barrow, Whitehaven, Sheffield etc (who we all know bring very little to the overall numbers).

That said we dont know anything about their other application criteria.

I dont think it will surprise anyone when the current crop of Superleague teams get a licence and Widnes are swapped for Wakefield.

Probably not as until you are given the chance to get bigger crowds from being in it first, as everyone knows the moment you are regularly on t.v the crowds increase dramatically. Sky money means a hell of a lot not just for buying the team but for the balance sheet etc. The only thing is the Stadium is built. but without being given the chance to go forward where would the world be today ?.

Its a bit like job applications, Everyone wants experience but is unwilling to let people gain that knowledge in the first place

I have no interest in the Sky circus parade as its a farce. I have nothing against Widnes and wish them well. But the way the RFL are destroying the game and the way the big clubs are only interested in themselves stinks. Clubs like Batley, Hunslet, Rochdale etc are just as important and deserve as much help as these expansion clubs and the likes of Wigan, Bradford etc. The sooner the likes of Lewis and that fat Twit Wood bugger off the better. Rugby League is a sport and yet it does not seem to matter what you do on the field its the politics and rubbish off it that they want. I have personal experience of idiots in Rugby League pushing through there own agenda. Its this attitude that is pushing myself and others away from the game

You wont get many, if any, Widnes fans disagreeing with you there.

We haven't asked for franchises or even want them, all we have done is work to them and I still dont trust the RFL over this years applications. I certainly dont think your out of it by a long way.

Well said Black Cat. To be honest i have got upset with my team performing crap and would love promotion and relegation every year.But Widnes are just working with the RFL rules mate.I admit like to see alot of British players playing professional, than a team of aussies at Catlans or Crusaders.Anyway i hope the RFL go by the rules, if not the youth system was a waste of time.We may aswell saved the money and bought rough championship players. If we do get into Superleague, i would still want to win things as any supporter does.