It goes back to the argument we all had about Springer. We are where we are because we lack 1 or 2 quality impact forwards.

And a couple more minimum in a full squad.

Weren't even an argument IMO and Doro when he originally fell foul of Grix,look where that stance took us..

Totally agree no argument at all, if you won’t do what your asked and ask to leave because of it or toss about it training then you won’t play and then go and help yourself then there’s the door whoever you are.

Otherwise where would we be now if those attitudes were allowed to flourish?

ultimately of course your right,but initially scapegoating players who are actually contributing more than others isn’t the way to manage.Still our loss is Hull’s gain..

Gwaze and King, another couple of quality forwards who weren't "properly" replaced. Looks like King is injured for the rest of the season for Haven and only managed a few minutes against York, a massive loss for them if he's missing for the remainder.

Never heard of the bad apple and someone causing unrest in the dressing room then?

Ultimately of course players like that are doing more harm than good and deserve what they get and being shown the door is precisely the way to manage them.

Scapegoating players

they were all being told and asked to do the same things at the same time by the same people which included more than SG on the coaching side and the others responded.

To start with Springer played every game so how was he “initially” a scapegoat?

To start with Doro didn’t play much because of his attitude so how could he “initially” be contributing more than others?

The line of reasoning for both Springer and Doro sounds more like contradictions are us as does our declining form since SG departed.

Grix struggled to manage egos and that has continued badly at Hull. All reports about Dorro at Bradford and Springer at Fev seem to suggest the opposite to what we have been told about their behaviour. Its true that us getting rid of them could have given them a boot up the backside but when you hear similar from a number of players, then it could be that Grix simply was not cut out for the role. Like Richard Marshall it could turn out that hs is a fantastic assistant and there is nothing wrong with that at all, horses for courses and all that.

Regardless, grixs ‘ tenure from 2019-2023 produced a 55.5% win rate , higher than many lauded coaches . Two third place finishes a challenge cup semi final and an 1885 cup success on a third of the budget of many teams. Regardless of players comings and goings for whatever reason he has nothing to prove to fax or doubting fans .

I’m with ben Shapiro ‘ facts don’t care about feelings’

Isn't it amazing how much insight people who have never done the job and will never be qualified to, who weren't there at the time can make a judgement of someone else who has, is and was be so knowledgeable of what happened?

The fact is you simply do not know and all these alternatives are based on ignorance and minds made up it has to be Grix to blame regardless.

Ignoring everything that others actually saw and have been told from multiple people from within the club won't alter their behaviour and reasons for leaving whilst they were at Fax.

After all we actually know about the state of the game, our club, others clubs to say our current predicament is down to these players leaving just about sums it up.

Our current predicament is down to one main thing which is lack of money but I hope we survive and can get a line busting player or two if we do.

The stats show that Grix was one of,if not the most successful coach Fax have had but everything is relative and he's moved on and gone.

Just wish others would follow his lead and stop dredging up the past, history is history the present and future is where it's at.

It’s ironic that the narrative on here was that Grix was the route of all our problems and the first season without him and by our own club’s admission an additional £100 k playing budget we are in a relegation battle. I remember a fans forum in the not too distant past where Grix said we were punching up and people shook their heads . Looks like he was right all along .

Personally I feel like our current predicament is down to a failure to freshen up our squad when it was badly needed, poor man management of some players that were signed, and a lack of knowledge about contracts from our football manager afterall we have to remember that our squad spend this season went up by between 100-150k compared to the previous season. Unfortunatley a combonation of those things has seen people jump ship and leave us in a right mess.

The stats also show he was part of our 3 worst finishes in this division albeit one was as a player so its fair to ignore that one. Ultimatley coaches leave jobs 2 ways, either move on to something better or get sacked. Grix got something better and he has been a part of the mess that is happening at Hull and as a double whammy he left us with a squad that was way past its sell by date but the writing was on the wall about that even with the 1895 win.

Aye remember who dug it it up again and back to the old copy and paste.

What is ironic someone mentioned scapegoats earlier but it seems they need someone to blame and pass judgement on more than anyone with the same ones liking and laughing along with the posts whether it's aimed at the Board, the coach a player.

And if anyone thinks they can do a better job or supply the money so someone else can then do so.

If not then don't be critical and come out with all this I would have done that, they should have done this after the event when those that do try the best they can.

Stats are taken as a percentage across the full period and not based on just the worst figures even though I know that’s what you always like to focus on and mention 3 years and then knock one off because he wasn’t the coach is laughable.

That's precisely the point even though they know about them and have enjoyed the good times the same people never mention his successes, it's like they never happened or it must have been down to someone else.

Such a massive rumpus that goes on for years when a player leaves who they would have kept only they are mentioned.

Never a comment that he was the one who identified them and brought them here in the first place or the about face logic that a coach any coach would sign a player he rated only to then use them as a scapegoat and him about to the point that he left.



Never a thought to those he brought in who have been good signings and stayed.

Like the comment on what's happening at Hull, you have no idea of what went wrong yet choose to implicate Simon Grix but if you read anything about it or listen to any professional commentary on the real cause of the problems none of them mention Simon Grix.

As before how much first hand knowledge do you have of how many players were approached and we tried to sign or how they were managed whilst here?

What’s described in typical critical fashion as “failure” was in fact down to being outbid or they decided not to come.

Players coming and going for those and other reasons happens every year to every coach and every club, are they all failures and poor at man management then or is it just Fax.

It’s already happened in the recruitment drive for next season an example is Joe Keyes leaving after being offered a good contract extension but being outbid by Bradford by an amount we simply couldn’t match.

As a replacement we tried to sign Meadows from London and Riley Dean to replace him but again we were outbid by Bradford and cash splashing Oldham.

Both those and several others before when RD was here were down to money and choice and nothing to do with failure or lack of understanding contracts, on the latter RD had IC giving some support at times along the way.

How much expertise do you have of coaching, man management, contracts etc and how much of it is based first hand during Grix time here or currently to make a qualified assessment of be judgemental about?

I get that you and LU are big Grix fans and its fine but other people hold different opinions as well. One of my opinions is that Fax under Grix played some of the worst rugby I have seen in my 40 odd years of watching Fax at the back end of his tenure. His failure to address obviously problems in the squad lead to a team that had gone stale and the same was said about his coaching but its no real surprise, 3 or 4 years tends to be around the maximum we see coaches stay at teams.

I can't say I am overly pleased with Finn either but I will wait till next season to make judgement because he got dealt the hand that Grix gave him along with a football manager who didnt know his from his elbow when it came to playing contracts. The odds were more than stacked against him.

100% agree with all that,including respecting different views,it's a forum..for me that play off defeat to York was a watershed game,when all Grix's ducks lined up and we failed miserably to a team we'd just beaten twice.All that,first 6 games dont matter,we cant play winter football bollx etc..things should have changed then after a long hard review but carried on in same vein and left Finn with the poison chalice he'd manufactured..

Well again you get it Wrong 100%. I don't care who or what it is about just simply a big fan of seeing a balanced commentary of events based on factual knowledge of what's being talked about from someone who knows what there talking about rather than a one sided biased running commentary that sounds like some sort of extremist propaganda where an opinion or view has now become a judgement.

As before, after the event everything that went wrong past present and future was down to Grix and everything that went right wasn't but if you can do a better job then go and do it but if not with a blank CV of your own don't presume to sit in judgement of those that try to.

Sorry but more contradictions just to fit the same old story line.

So Grix has a team with the same ducks lined up that over the course of a matter of weeks in the same season beats another team twice but in the third game loses because Joe Keyes hits the post from a penalty from a field position he had kicked a dozen times previously.

That's not just sport of course it's miserable failure down to Grix



Grix first six game comment is yet another well known aspect of sport that you simply either don't understand or if you do want to twist the meaning.

Point 1. Every coach, player, supporter wants to win every game but don't expect to do so with the ups and downs in form across the season, what he was simply saying is that if you don't start well then all is not lost and the importance shifts to how well you can finish that will count but even then the very nature of sport means nothing can be guaranteed.

Point 2. The winter comment was said based on the squad he had which was more suited to a dry track than a winter one and the winter results showed that to be the case and connecting both comments we finished better than we started eventually losing to another good side in the play offs by the narrowest of margins which again is what happens week in week out in sport.

In connection with that no club at our level have squads big enough to be at the same strength in winter as in summer it's another well known aspect of the sport that everyone who knows the game will have heard being said.

Just one example, Fev beat Wakefield on a mud bath but got ripped apart on the dry try tracks.

Especially to start with you are either weighted with the bigger plodders or with the smaller mobile guys and later you may try and bring in some size or speed as the season goes on depending on your needs, finances and availability either by direct signings, loans or DR's that's simply just how the game is now we're not back in the 70's 80' or any other by gone era.

Apart from that how does Finn inheriting everything from Grix explain some of his signings and his team selections which have been just as much a headscratcher without receiving the same amount of criticism from the same ones who continue to give it out to Grix?

All that being said though the bottom line is you chose to start this all by bringing up Springer and Doro again years later after the Doncaster game which whilst not amounting to lying about someone or something, whether it's dressed up as an opinion, judgement or whatever it's based on ignorance of the events and amounts to a total misrepresentation of the facts concerning the people involved and named by you which is simply wrong and untrue, that's what I object to.

Faxcar ........... calm down.

Just view other peoples' opinions as "observations" rather than "criticisms".

That's correct and i accept his counter arguments but firmly disagree on most of them other than dredging up things that i maybe shouldn't...we are where we are and i'm also hardly impressed with Finn and what next year may bring...

Yeh right I knew it wouldn’t be long before the old smoke screen of it’s a Forum, it’s just an opinion and we can say what we like about anyone and anything behind there backs.
Don’t worry if it’s not true I can still sit in judgement of others they have no rights it’s ours that count and the little club of 3 can all like each other’s posts.
It doesn’t matter that an opinion has double standards and judging people differently on the very same criteria isn’t discrimination.

Like it or not that’s my opinion / observations of this crew based on years of experience on here and I await the next victim because for a certainty there will be someone.

For what it is worth i thought Will Maher was a cracking signing and we should never of got rid.