ALL THOSE FAX FANS WHO WENT TO TIP TO WATCH NORTHERN WILL THEY WANT T COME TO SHAY >?

Top post and a big well done for staying loyal in hostile territory, fans like you always amaze me as despite years and years of our neighbours not just at Odslum but over at the Galpharm and Headingleydoing well we still have a hard core of fans even from Bradford and Huddersfield who support Fax, they are so loyal.
That quote about Fat Controller and his cronies at the RFL not wanting any egg on their face is so true, he is a weasel and as he has total control over RL with his Franchise system its like the king in his altogether song, nobody dare speak out as he holds all the aces.
Think about it, if say a Fax Director threatens to cry wolf over this debacle over at Bradford to the media guess what will happen?
Phone call from Fat Controller 'Hi Halifax RLFC, this is Nigel here can I just advise you that if you say anything about the goings on in the game then you can wave goodbye to any chance of getting a Franchise next time around, so maybe you would like to reconsider?'
Maybe this is why he invented this ssytem to give him total aotonomy over the game and the clubs in it???

Cheers Fax4life, I appreciate that. Certain times make travelling back to Bradford worthwhile. Coming down rooley lane last Sunday in fax shirt after they got dicked by salford being the most recent!

The reason that the bull bubble is bursting is because even tho the pot hunters from shelf, northowram, brighouse etc left us for them years ago it isn't in the blood. It's easy to back winners, its has to be a part of who you are to stick with your club when things are tough. All of a sudden they don't have success and the glory boys vanish. Sad but true

You know what I find really offensive is this 'Bradford have too much history not to be in SL' rubbish, yet when we got relegated and hit the buffers like other clubs such as Leigh people forget that we were founder members of RL in 1895 and founder members of SL in 1996 and are older than most clubs with a long history of moderate success (compared to Leeds & Wigan it is) and a historically strong fanbase and the game being strong at amateur level in this area.
All SL is about is NUMBERS, if you put inflated crowds they all BELIEVE them unreservedly, yet look at Bradford yer they look like big crwods but they aint as they have all thses cheap season ticket holders many of which don't even turn up but are counted!
It don't pay bills the the dumb wotsits.

The big concern though is that those Fax fans that went to Odsal/Giants etc. are not coming back to Fax but are being lost to the game completely. Fair weather they may but they would still help our gates, which to be fair, are poor. I really cannot see us getting above 5k at this time, even in SL, so I don't think that we can realistically think about going in without the risk of going belly up unless we get some financial backing.

I dont want Fax in SL. It would hurt us financially. We would never get to finals and win silverware. SL is full of lies and deceit with Woods the dictator at the top. The RFL are corrupt and couldnt organize a p in a brewery. Look at the wc no dates even the clubs hosting games have no info. My wife even said how wierd and badly run things are and she has only been watching since 2008! The crusaders fiasco no investigation. The failure of the licence review to see that 3 clubs in 18 months are in deep trouble will be ignored by Nige and the RFL. All they care about is themselves and have a system where anybody who speaks out is threatened.

We couldn't manage financially in the top league, Widnes have posted a 400k loss which the chairman has covered, where would we get that sort of money?

We wont survive in the Championship. Take 100 off the gates every year. I think we would last 5 more years in the Championship at most.

Massive localised marketing is needed at our level , it should be being done with help from the RFL , but they cannot see past the SL model for anything , it really does need collaberation between clubs to increase support numbers by improving the match day experience , and also in finding and exploiting new non playing/match income streams

Moving up to SL for any current Championship club will prove a dissaster , It would be quite a statement of intent if all the clubs collectively stated as such , not that it would bother the incumbents of Red Hall , they would see it as a positive step rather than than a clear statement of their failure to manage the lower tiers

If Fev go for it , then they will need a huge amount of luck

P and R doesn't exist between SL and championship, we have been cast aside by sky for all intents and purposes, we play to a different points structure than SL, our play off format is different, our targets and projections can never be clearly drawn out as any figures have to be speculative and no teams in our level will ever again be able to call themselves full time professionals.

As a group of clubs living to meager budgets what have we to lose? Starbug is right, the route to success for our clubs is getting clearer by every SL cover up or disaster that arises.

Any business model, company or group that fails at least, and I stress at least, a quarter of their organisation is doomed to fail. We are best off keeping well away while the stitching continues to come away from the whole disaster above us.

I fully agree with the comment that some fans will drift away within five years if we never have the chance to progress. The thing is, what do we class as progression at the moment. I for one believe some big changes will happen within five years in our game, at this moment tho I ain't sure what they will be with the muppetts running our sport for us.

Thank goodness we didn't get a franchise!

I am really saddened to read some of the gloating posts on here, it wasn't so long since I and many other Bulls supporters made donations to keep your club afloat. You may well be right in what you say regarding the grading of grounds etc but that really isn't anything any rugby fan can control.

Before you start slating my post - I was introduced to rugby league by attending Odsal some years ago and this season I have attended as many games at Halifax as I have at Bradford for the sheer enjoyment of the game. If Bradford folds it will be fellow rugby league supporters that will suffer the most.

Unfortunatley you have a couple of things going against you , 1 your club has systematically tried to pinch fans of other local clubs , 2 you are a SDL club , and by virtue of that deserve all you get , you get the millions from SKY , and you still it up , Fax and others work hard with no help from Red Hall and then get publically crucified for showing unhappiness with quite ridiculous decisions

Try the Bronco's board for some sympathy , oops forgot , your chairman wanted to vote them out of existence a few years back

Not as many people and clubs helped us on the scale that Bradford Bulls are now to raise a far less sum of money infact it was because of Howard Ponsner that our club stayed alive plus I didnt see everyone wanting to help Leigh recently and Whitehaven, Rochdale, Doncater and Oldham before that and when Blackpool Panthers went bust no one in Super league even blinked. The RFL are failing the game its time to fight them. The spirit of 1873 La Resistanse

The RFL can't help because they look to be going bust as well, rumour of redundancies at Red Hall.