Agree. Ince wouldn't have scored any tries yesterday had Worthington been there - I notice he appears to be playing in the 2nd row for Barrow at the mo. Also the other big mistake is the Maher/Doro/King disaster. You get the feeling that if those 3 would have worked out, we'd have done much better this season. Maher seems to have disappeared from the Dewsbury team sheet, wonder if he's had enough (or can't even make a League 1 team!).

Regarding Inman, Grix won't drop Moore and can't drop AOB and there's no room for a 3rd hooker. Problem is that neither of those 3 can really slot into another position, unlike when we had Beswick/Penky/Gleeson when Beswick could slot into the halves or loose. Having said that I would still put Inman before Moore.

Grix has been trying to convince us for a couple of seasons that Moore can play as a loose/extra pivot type role but as we saw yesterday our pack was already getting rolled and loosing a big body and leaving another hooker on did us no favors like it hasn't really for much of the season. At one point yesterday he had McComb playing that role and you just wonder now if he is totally devoid of ideas on how to change things for the better.

It seems there was a big shift on Facebook yesterday with a lot of people who had been in support of Grix seem to have turned so maybe we were just early in our predictions that we could do with a change but sat in 8th place it does seem we may have been right. Liam Finn looks like he has a big job on his hands going on these performances.

I could see why Grix let both last seasons centres move on. Both showed little threat in attack and are now being used in the second row at their clubs.
The issue is we didn`t find replacements. To be fair decent centres are like rocking horse ****.
I like both Tibbs and Mcomb but they don`t have the physicality in defence. Maizen might replace Salty next year but he also is no centre.
Crooks sometimes wafts at attackers so he would not be my answer to this problem, but time may tell.
Inman is still learning but i hope we can hang on next season to push whichever hookers we may have.
Our recruitment in the forwards looked good but for one reason or another Maher/Doro/King didn`t turn up.
Having watched for over 60 years I have witnessed may lows and a few highs so chin up boys.

Just watching the highlights of those 3 tries as I wanted to re-watch before posting my thoughts but the 1st one Walmsley didn't trust Sutcliffe, he did a great job passing off the lead runner but Walmsley bit in when he didn't have to and this should have been easily dealt with.

The second one is woeful, somehow they manage to get the numbers completley wrong and Widnes end up with a 5 on 3 which they executed pretty well to be fair to them. Between Keyes and Pickersgill they have to do a better job organising there and in the end its poor defensive reads by Keyes and Sutcliffe that cost the try this time.

The 3rd one again numbers are wrong and we can't sort it in time and it starts to go amiss where Keyes does not pass his man off to Kav so Keyes can keep sliding, hard to see what Sutcliffe is doing but looks like a bad read which to be fair is caused initially by Keyes mistake. This is really basic stuff and Widnes really didn't have to do much to score those 3 tries and they could have easily been prevented. A thing that stands out in all 3 is that there seems to be very little in the way of communication between the players for these tries, that's impossible to say for sure but the end result seems to suggest that as well.

Aye, left edge all over the place and down to Keyes first game back and Sooty not be fully integrated into the squad.

Even so worst communications / understanding i’ve seen for a long time.

I didn’t think either pack dominated the other, it was more to do with giving away field position due to unforced errors, penalties, barmy decision making and conceding off the back of it due poor defence.

On the day we did more of it, again and were the worst of 2 poor sides.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is yet another poor crowd. Not helped by a very poor turnout by Widnes, I remember when the North Stand used to be opened for them. Maybe 50 in the bottom corner?

I said earlier in the week that we should pack in if we couldn't get a crowd of over 2k for such a crucial match, especially after recent successes against Fev and Batley. But one thing I wasn't aware of until yesterday, is that the "cash" turnstiles mean quite literally CASH. I've always thought this included being able to tap your credit/debit card on a machine but apparently not. Surely this deters quite a few - only a few of us oldies carry cash nowadays. And tapping your card isn't like paying real money (if yer get me drift). I also think a skinny discount of 2 quid for advance tickets may sometimes have the opposite effect - anyone who didn't get round to buying these advance tickets might feel they're getting mugged on the day so won't bother.

The new board will be trading in the new suits they bought for wembley after yesterday. They begged to take over and then the year they take over we might finish outside the top 6 leaving a huge financial hole for them to plug, they must be pulling their hair out especially as winning the 1895 will have contributed to that hole as well with a lack of prize money. This feels very much similar to where we were when the club decided to shift Richard Marshall out. I think there would be even more sweating going on if Grix had signed his new contract and we were still in this position.

Wrong , wrong , wrong , stop making up false narratives.

Well the positives first, the supporters trust handing over another much needed cheque for 2 grand good on them and all who contribute. And we will have a new electronic scoreboard for the Toulouse game probably due to the new IMG point scoring format. As for the game WIdnes was the better side and deserved to win by more than 2 points for me. They probably had one of the smallest packs we have faced this season but still rolled us up and down the park which for me led to those problems we had on our left side plus the other issues that have been mentioned. For me a change in coach will not be enough to turn this around for next year, we have a number of players who have been good players for us and played a big part in us getting back to back third place finishes and for some reason do not look like on a consistent basis able to perform at that level anymore. So i think we need a big clear out especially in the pack and a couple of the backs too. I just can not see Liam getting anymore out of some of these players then we have seen so far this year so changes are needed or we will either stand still or go backwards.

Which bit is wrong?

The board approached the old board on numerous occasions asking to take over, begging maybe an overstatement yes.
Finishing outside the top 6 would have financial implications for many reasons wouldnt it? A lot less central funding, crowds down and sponsorship down.
1895 prize money was reported to be next to nothing, coach trips, hotel stays, and win bonuses will have made it a loss for the club. Poor ticket sales and too much merchandise will have contributed as well.
Marshall left when we were around mid table and gone a bit stale didn't he? Feels a little bit familiar would you say?
Do you think as things stand if Grix had signed a new long term deal the board would not be sweating in 8th place and people not turning up through the gates?

As my old mucka would say, am I right? I'm not wrong.

The cup run will have created more funds through turnstile revenue alone , split gates of fev , barrow , Bradford, St Helens , London .From this point forward if this forum doesn’t have to be backed up by facts I’m saying what I want some will be true some will be false under the guise of opinion. I’ll start the financial predicament was caused by the owner of Deliveree last seasons sponsorship, he buggered off to Spain leaving historical debt , is it true is it false or is it a mixture of both with hyperbole? Who knows because you can say what the you want .

We already know some of what the BoD is doing with the clubs finances.

On the field side the new coach is in place as are the bulk of next years playing squad this work has been going on throughout the season before the final league position was known and the finances are already in place to cover it.

On recruitment / finances we’ve seen a clear improvement in the later additions, another one we know of is BD from Eagles and they intend to continue that trend with Liam Finn.

Worse case scenario isn’t all doom and gloom and we get 1 or 2 less but there will be more coming in and they will be of the right quality from who’s available.

It’s been a steep learning curve for the BoD what with coming in and IMG appearing on the scene, it’s no easy job running a rugby league club in the second tier, in the “mugs game league” it’s definitely in the top 2 or 3 even if we aren’t so maybe time to get behind them rather than in their backs.

I went into the shop before Wembley to buy some merchandise, I was greeted by Ian uttley , he tried to persuade me to buy some cups , I wasn’t overly enamoured, he said if I didn’t buy the 150th anniversary cup he wouldn’t be able to afford a wig after the 1895 cup run cost the club so much , he said his wife would leave him because he looked like mick lynch and she hated the railway union because she once missed a train to watch mick gledhills dj night .

You know most of it's true what I said when faxcar hasn't gone on all out attack against me.

Not sure how much you think the club will have made from "split" gates against Fev, Barrow, Bradford, and London although I will admit the club would have at least made a decent profit against Saints. Clubs barely even cover their expenses for cup games when crowds are so low.

So going back to your post where you said I were pushing false naratives, which parts were untrue?