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Quote: jensenFF "I Think there needs to be some monetary realism. If the club has broken even this year it will be the first time in god knows how many years. 2015 /16 everything was blown They have achieved a managed budget this year by clamping down on the playing budget and maximising revenue streams , so what ever decisions they make breaking the bank to get Ridyard sounds like previous management by rainbow dreamers decisions not current hard nosed business decisions See how Sam Wood goes at half back before signing anyone and try get Muzza and Simon grix fit in the off season lets face it Muzza didn't score until the summer bash which tells its own tale. If Scott Grix is a signing then problem solved . Ridyard always has been class but he comes at a very premium cost . It has to be the right player at the right price. its such a shame we couldn't cling on to QLT because he altered the whole shape of our attack making it so less predictable giving the halves that extra yard cand we probably wouldn't be having these discussions . Moss might be quick but he doesn't seem to be able to lose the first defender like Qlt . Or split the defensive line.'"


Wasn’t it you who wanted to sign Jake Mammo? Probably on double what Ridyard is on. When’s Sam Wood going to be playing half back, that one confused me.

What income streams have increased out of interest? I can’t remember any significant rise in either crowds or sponsorship and I heard their were a drop in sponsorship this season. How about your fav the shop? Expected to turn a loss this year with the over purchase of goods and the need to sell off cheap just to try and recoup some of the outlay.

It seems you have been doing too much of that rainbow dreaming listening to your wannabe mates. Whatever happened to them anyway?

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i cant and i wont take anything away from the achievement of this year, we've had an incredible season and we are where nobody ever expected us to be.

BUT jesus christ its frustrating watching the team in the 8s so far. i know we're outgunned, part time/full time, budgets blah blah but come on. We were 5 minutes away from being nilled 2 weeks in a row.

We do just seem to be missing that little bit of quality - Toulouse have everything that we don't, flair players across the park. Would i trade all that flair for all of our team spritit - probably not, the way these lads play is brilliant to watch BUT we need a bit of balance. Their 1 - 7 players ooze class. ours ooze grit - which will get you further?

i like moss but a fullback he aint. his distribution is good but he looks like he s***s himself every time he needs to make a decision. I did see that 1 champ team is willing to offer QLT a deal and i just hope that its us. Moss can slip out to the wing for me, no doubting the lad can finish he just isnt the extra pivot that we need to break play.

cant really see a great deal of forwards that would be better than our own bar somone like Canet and maybe a couple others on A LOT of money so they all seem certain for next year.

again i dont want to knock the team but from a progression point of view, we need to add some flair.

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Are scoreing as been poor all year hence the points difference. Its ok aving the best defence but points difference cost us 3rd/2nd and its showing in the 8s. Torronto were there for the taking but we have no clue near the line or no star man to break down the middle. We lack pace etc

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Sport is all about opinions and I get all the different ones on this topic. The fact is we are at where we are at and our attack was never suddenly going to magically become capable of bursting open top Championship sides at will in the 8's. We shall see how they go on against SL sides defences shortly!
We do have players who look dangerous with ball in hand in Butler and Moore for example-one out wide and one through the middle. Moss is a finisher and if our offload game and break capability was better we would see the benifit of his strengths in pace as he constantly looks to back up the ball carrier.
Our older players give their all and I am sure are experienced enough to know their limitations.
Toronto annd then Toulouse away was always going to be a tough start and Salford flying high won't be much easier.
It is what it is now and we can only learn from the experience and finance permitting, plan for next season.
I am sure RM and his coaching team have clocked all that we see and will try to improve.
Let's see how we do in the next 5 games and what close season recruitment looks like.

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Scott Grix isn’t the answer at halfback neither is Sam Wood. Anyone know what’s happening with Christian Ackroyd? He’s definitely worth a look.

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Realistically we was never going to win a game in these middles 8's . We have done incredibly well just to get into top 4 at the expense of Leigh and Fev. We are at least been competitive and not been put to the sword thus far. Would have QLT back because from what I have seen Moss cannot break the line from kick returns, which reliefs pressure. We look a bit light in the HB and rely too much on jonno and Murrell. Fulltime might not be the answer (ask Sheffield).
Marshall is no fool and knows our limitations so we are in good hands with him in charge.

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Quote: DNAFax "i cant and i wont take anything away from the achievement of this year, we've had an incredible season and we are where nobody ever expected us to be.

BUT jesus christ its frustrating watching the team in the 8s so far. i know we're outgunned, part time/full time, budgets blah blah but come on. We were 5 minutes away from being nilled 2 weeks in a row.

We do just seem to be missing that little bit of quality - Toulouse have everything that we don't, flair players across the park. Would i trade all that flair for all of our team spritit - probably not, the way these lads play is brilliant to watch BUT we need a bit of balance. Their 1 - 7 players ooze class. ours ooze grit - which will get you further?

i like moss but a fullback he aint. his distribution is good but he looks like he s***s himself every time he needs to make a decision. I did see that 1 champ team is willing to offer QLT a deal and i just hope that its us. Moss can slip out to the wing for me, no doubting the lad can finish he just isnt the extra pivot that we need to break play.

cant really see a great deal of forwards that would be better than our own bar somone like Canet and maybe a couple others on A LOT of money so they all seem certain for next year.

again i dont want to knock the team but from a progression point of view, we need to add some flair.'"


Spot on.

Marshall may know our limitations but its going to be pretty much a carbon copy of last season where we struggle to score points compared to the teams around us. He has to be backed with investment so he can go out and try and fix those problems. I think if he isn't then he will probably go elsewhere as he can't wait forever to try and take us to the next level.

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But..if we aren't in a financially good position after making the top four in 3 out of 4 of the last season's where has the money gone? Just on running costs?

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I expect this years windfall to be available for sensible team strengthening next season,which hasn't been the case previously.

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Quote: Beaujangles "I expect this years windfall to be available for sensible team strengthening next season,which hasn't been the case previously.'"

That's what I am hoping for and how I see it, survival and consolidation over the last couple of years and maybe now a chance to take a responsible step forward especially if the likes of LS28 are still contributing.

One up one down is being heavily touted for 2019, if that happens a danger is that if 3 or 4 clubs go all in for that promotion spot those that miss out and overspend then boom and bust is back.

Same applies for the lower SL clubs who face relegation if 2 or 3 of them are in danger, 1 could overspend and fail to avoid the the drop and others could overspend even though they don't go down.

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If one up one down does return, then the season may be over by May, (bit like this one,T W had it settled by then) then what is there to look forward to?

My thoughts: Top one up automatically, second v third play off to see who plays second bottom S/L , winner into S/L , still gives teams a fighting chance and all to play for.

possible moot point, teams in the middle pack will have dead rubber games, not good for crowd pulling.

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While on subject of money for players i urge anyone to watch the rugby codebreakers documentary available on catch up bbc i player.An excellent view and we are featured including a clip with our club historian.We spent more on players in 1963 than we do now incredibly....

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Quote: the fax in asia "If one up one down does return, then the season may be over by May, (bit like this one,T W had it settled by then) then what is there to look forward to?

My thoughts

there will always be dead rubber games, the issue is how to cut down on them. I felt you get financially rewarded for where you finish in the league then you remove dead rubbers as you are potentially going to be playing to move up the table in some form (or down as well).

We must have some form of promotion and the one you suggested is probably as good as any, one up one down is notn. Clubs don’t like the jeopardy of P&R unless you are in the lower league, then you don’t like it if you go up. It’s accepted in football that you might get relegated and so it should be in rugby league.

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Quote: Norman Bates "there will always be dead rubber games, the issue is how to cut down on them. I felt you get financially rewarded for where you finish in the league then you remove dead rubbers as you are potentially going to be playing to move up the table in some form (or down as well).

We must have some form of promotion and the one you suggested is probably as good as any, one up one down is notn. Clubs don’t like the jeopardy of P&R unless you are in the lower league, then you don’t like it if you go up. It’s accepted in football that you might get relegated and so it should be in rugby league.'"

Correct. Top goes up, bottom goes down. 2nd plays 2nd bottom of SL at home, rewarding success, winner to SL. Funding increases for where you finish in't table. Or is that too simple?

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It's very simple and how it should be,so it won't happen...

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