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Quote: Tony Fax "I thought Bradford gave away free tickets anyway!

Looking at last weekend's attendances, I really don't think they can get much lower even if streamed.

Fev's crowds seem to be falling off a cliff - 1,345 against Barrow.

Swinton attracted just 1,048 against SL wanabees Wakey who would most likely have taken a few hundred.

Toulouse got 2,079 against Sheffield in a top of the table clash.

Donny got 1,443 against Fax.

The biggest laugh was 3,006 given at Bradford against Dewsbury. I say laugh, because watching the highlights the terracing behind the sticks was empty, the seating stand opposite looked to have 200 tops, so almost 3k must have been in the terracing below the camera. Hmmmm ... maybe a Bulls fan would care to verify this?

Batley and Haven didn't disclose their crowds, but they're usually in the mid hundreds.

If anything, an interested armchair fan watching a streamed match may be tempted to actually attend the next time round if he/she liked what they saw.'"


Just posting what I’d read and included the link.

On attending where you had to pay I’m sure I read someone somewhere had been put off by the admission prices and was now becoming a armchair fan.

I think the user name was something like Foney Tax or similar. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Tony Fax "I thought Bradford gave away free tickets anyway!

Looking at last weekend's attendances, I really don't think they can get much lower even if streamed.

Fev's crowds seem to be falling off a cliff - 1,345 against Barrow.

Swinton attracted just 1,048 against SL wanabees Wakey who would most likely have taken a few hundred.

Toulouse got 2,079 against Sheffield in a top of the table clash.

Donny got 1,443 against Fax.

The biggest laugh was 3,006 given at Bradford against Dewsbury. I say laugh, because watching the highlights the terracing behind the sticks was empty, the seating stand opposite looked to have 200 tops, so almost 3k must have been in the terracing below the camera. Hmmmm ... maybe a Bulls fan would care to verify this?

Batley and Haven didn't disclose their crowds, but they're usually in the mid hundreds.

If anything, an interested armchair fan watching a streamed match may be tempted to actually attend the next time round if he/she liked what they saw.'"


Its hard to see the game continuing as semi professional at this level, teams losing money hand over fist. I think our average is down around 400-500 or so from previous seasons and the Wakefield game was the lowest attendance I have seen from Fax fans in a long time. Without a money man most teams are basically insolvent unless they are fortunate enough to own their own ground.

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Quote: faxcar "Just posting what I’d read and included the link.

On attending where you had to pay I’m sure I read someone somewhere had been put off by the admission prices and was now becoming a armchair fan.

I think the user name was something like Foney Tax or similar.
Too right, faxcar, , even though I don't think I'll ever become a 100% armchair fan unless the admission continues to go up!

But alas, I'm not immortal and one day I would hope I will be replaced by a "new" fax fan when I'm finally laid to rest.. But that's where I think the "churn" has now hit a brick wall. I reckon there's about 1,300 all weather fax fans left. How many of those are new in the past 10 years do you reckon? Anyone's guess. 100? 1,000? Hardly any IMO.

Not just Fax. Look at the attendances. Fev! Sheffield! Even Widnes struggle to break 2k.

Haven will be the first. Then wait for the rest .........................

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Quote: Tony Fax "Too right, faxcar, , even though I don't think I'll ever become a 100% armchair fan unless the admission continues to go up!

But alas, I'm not immortal and one day I would hope I will be replaced by a "new" fax fan when I'm finally laid to rest.. But that's where I think the "churn" has now hit a brick wall. I reckon there's about 1,300 all weather fax fans left. How many of those are new in the past 10 years do you reckon? Anyone's guess. 100? 1,000? Hardly any IMO.

Not just Fax. Look at the attendances. Fev! Sheffield! Even Widnes struggle to break 2k.

Haven will be the first. Then wait for the rest .........................'"


I honestly just don’t know what’s going to happen but as you say the empty terraces can’t be disputed.

Fax could be one of the first to go as we’ve got serious challenges in the board room, on the field with performance and off the field with the stadium issues all here at the same time.

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Quote: faxcar "
Fax could be one of the first to go as we’ve got serious challenges in the board room, on the field with performance and off the field with the stadium issues all here at the same time.'"


Maybe so, but I think Fax will always be around even if it's a mid table League 1 club.

Still waiting for London and Warrington to file their accounts (they're both overdue - maybe the IMG should deduct them points?) then I'll summarise the SL clubs.

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Not good reading. Feel sick to my stomach. I can’t see us getting another 1000 people through the gates let alone against Dewsbury (no disrespect).

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Here we go again.

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We can all see that virtually all the RL clubs, including Super League, are insolvent. The sport as a whole has been sleep walking into oblivion. Wait for others to follow.

Probably the best option would be to go into administration otherwise it's just throwing good money after bad, kicking the can down the road, with the same outcome. Then start with a clean slate in League 1, get rid of the white elephant and tap the Council for a much smaller new stadium which should pay for itself through additional income streams.

The debt has become far too large - £540k in 2023, probably much worse now. Cannot possibly see the club digging itself out of this huge hole.

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There is no way the council would sell the shay site for housing/ shopping or what ever and then plow that revenue into a new stadium. Even if that stadium is smaller. One the council sell the Shay, and I feel they will sooner than later, they will be done with supporting professional sport in this town.

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From the statement the tax man is the main debtor they want to serve first. However in your initial post TF you stated the money owed to the tax man was 47k alone. Goodness knows what it is now.

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Doesn't look good at all. Hope you lot can get through it. I'll be happy to put my hand in my pocket if need be. We all need to stick together as it's clear that all clubs are in the same boat.

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I think a Bradford Bulls fan has said it best on FB, as much as we are all fans, be very careful what you put in to the club and do not put in more than you can afford because it has to be close to zero chance that you would ever see any of that money back. The BOD or whatever is left to them need to be very clear from this point because over two weeks we have had very different outlooks from them and I think they need to lay all the cards on the table which they are not doing at the moment.

What is the plan for the future? We are clearly not managing the debt and fans donating money as "loans" is certainly not a long term answer. I think Dvada on the other thread puts it right when he asks about the board saying where this 700k that they have supposedly put in has gone. The main question at this point with HMRC likely to wind the club up, if they refused an extension is highly likely that we have asked for and used them previously and this is the final notice, is it worth the club carrying on? May as well start afresh with a clean slate and lets get out of the Shay and get begging to other clubs for somewhere more sustainable to play. What a mess.

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That Panthers rebrand really worked wonders didnt it!!

Paying big money you didnt have to Eden and Widdop , not paying HMRC or stadium rent and now wanting fans to bail you out.
Should be a points deduction and relegated to League 1, along with being stripped of next years central funding which should be re disributed accross the other Championship teams.

Teams like Fax need to cut their cloth accordingley.

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Quote: MP "From the statement the tax man is the main debtor they want to serve first. However in your initial post TF you stated the money owed to the tax man was 47k alone. Goodness knows what it is now.'"


I can only guess what the monthly PAYE creditor "should" be, but £47k did seem rather high when I first looked at the accounts. I've looked at Widnes and York and they had similar amounts outstanding. Fax did say in today's statement that other clubs have also asked for extensions. Like GFB says .... "What a mess".

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