I said before the game today would test how good or bad our cutting edge is and I think we got our answer blunt!
Terrible first half and I like others wonder how certain players are still in the team, we have 2 centres who never pass the ball so why still pick them? Our kicking game is hit and miss, more miss apart from the 40/20 off Muzza and that lucky bounce for one of our tries.
Thank goodness for Will Sharp our only real quality player, lots of effort in defence although 2 poor tries conceded today .
Must do much better at Batley next week or else that will be an even longer afternoon than today seemed!

When is marshall going to realise the problem is the attack!.... is he the only one who cant see that certain players are NOT performing and especially muzza, is he frightened to death to drop him?...He keeps goin on about how important it is for us to av a reserves and well there doin blah blah blah....Well giv them a go then!.....look how well sion jones went, look how they played against a nr full wakefield supet league side....mgrath, calcott, punchard, brook etc.. Its time RM stopped tryin to pull the wool over peoples eyes by constantly bullting

We are definitely firing blanks at the moment on attack. Just became embarrassing yesteday and listening to post match interview from RM he admitted if he was opposition coach planning to play us he would know his side would be getting a lot of 'free' ball due to our errors. Anybody know what Jordon Lilley is doing at the moment? We need some form of spark at half back. I would also take a look at Barber/Woody to share those centre spots as I think we have run our course on wingers never getting a pass and bish bosh bash down that channel just isn't working.
it was a shambles at times yesterday but at least we got the two points which is vital already looking at how London/Tolouse and Fev are going.

agree try barber and Jwh in centres, dont think we need to look at players from other clubs tho like jordan lilley....My point is we av a reserves and 2 half backs playin well there so give them a go 1st, it cant be any worse than the combinations RM is using and if not up to it then maybe look at DR/loan signin..RM constantly on about Development pathway and reserves impressing, were is the development pathway then? It all sounds and looks good for RM but in reality its bull

Changed needed at 3,4,6,7 unless this happens fast we will be left behind

Team for Batley

Will
Salty
Barber
Chester / somebody from a Samoan Island
Clare
Brooky
WBH
Maher
Moore
Murray
Jones
Grady
Grix

Fairbanks
Murrell
Morris
Douglas

Sharp..saltonstall....WBH..Butler...mcgrath....brook...punchard....maher....moore....douglas.....jones....grady.....grix...subs...fairbank...morris...barber...callcott

It does appear that the 'senior' players in the team producing sub-par performances week in, week out, are indeed undroppable.

Tyrer, Murrell, Grix and Fairbank need to up their game. All senior players with Super League experience

Can't disagree regarding Tyrer, Murrell and Grix, but I though Fairbank did Ok. The only problem with taking those 3 (or 4) out of the team is that we do need to retain some experience on the pitch as well. There will be dynamics in the team that we, as supporters, don't quite appreciate. I agree we need to make some changes and somehow create some "sparkle", but wholesale changes could be disastrous if we come up against a team of experienced pro's that could take advantage.

I suppose that's why I went for evolution rather than revolution. Murrell as goalie if needed. Hopefully he won't be needed. Grix is the extra pair of hands a la Wigan style to feed a fullback attacking run.
Everyone else is on merit. But it's get a grip time. look at the reserves attacking shape because it looks exactly how the first teams should be , so whoever has sorted that probably needs to have more of a say and listened to for team selection.

Too many players have no pace and average skill levels, note not poor skill levels just average.
I keep saying it but where is the threat going to come from.
Ideally you need players with both of the above, speed and skill but there won't be many like that in the Championship unless you find a diamond and manage to hang on to him.
After that you need one of the other, either pace or better than average skill levels and I'm worried we have either.
RM commented that the opposition would love the amount of ball we cough up when playing us but if I were the opposition I wouldn't be having sleepless nights about our threat levels at the moment.

always been a massive advocate of tyrer - always seems to have a good attitude (a bit like ben kaye) but he has been woeful this time round. Butler in for me.

Murrell has to be in the team, yes he's slow but we have absolutely nobody else that commands the team around like he does. he's the captain for a reason.

Grix for me is wasted in the second row, id much rather see him at loose. You could see it last year that everything flowed better and quicker with him in the middle.

JWH is not a scrum half (IMO) his feet cause some damage in at centre and i'd much rather see him there - salty/clare/whoever is on the wing WILL score with him next to them (see sheffield last year with McGrath).

I keep saying the name Craven but i just love the way he plays and he is NOT getting the game time at widnes - why are we not trying to secure his services?

Fairbank i dont think has been bad at all, he's aggressive and if anyone is going to get an offload off its him.

If anyone is going to get a call up from the reserves, for me it should be cullimore and drop ben kaye. I like the looks of him and its a one of the many positions that needs an injection of pace.

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I think ive finished ranting now but i'll let you know!

No Fleming?

Depends how Fleming framed in training. close between him and Douglas for 17th spot. He needs a kick up the backside after Sunday's performance.
Time for hard changes. We have got too comfy , too soft and certainly not lean,